“Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU” Petition

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Is that "disinterested" or uninterested? Interesting dilemma.

No-one could call GG disinterested as far as brexit goes. We all know only too well where her sympasthies lie, and I doubt whether she is really uninterested either as she keeps repeating the same quitter propaganda.

Fair point varian but I was thinking that the "disinterested" statement was aimed directly at a question put by maizie.
However my dilemma over the choice of words is still unresolved because knowing how proud she is of her language skills I' m sure GG just have considered her comment carefully.

Disinterested = nothing to gain either way

Uninterested = can't be bothered even thinking about it

Where would I find an anarchist enclave ?

Lemongrove - you are right in commenting that us Remainers are having a last gasp attempt.

To all of you - try listening to James O'Brien on LBC. On Friday morning he read a list of various activities, printed in the press over many years, that the EU were supposedly trying to ban. Most of them are amusing but have found their way into the country's psyche as being true.

Let's not forget that BJ was responsible for some of them, including straight bananas. This was subsequently debunked but it was still spouted by a woman in the audience at a Question Time recording last year - to much derision from the audience.

PS I have no connection to James O'Brien having on recently discovered his programme.

Thanks for flagging up James O'Brien Dinahmo. I also have only recently discovered him as I'm not a regular listener to phone-ins. He tells it like it is. It would be very easy for him to make fun of the inarticulate confused leave voters who phone in, but he doesn't. He does challenge their arguments and corrects things which are untrue, but he makes it clear that he is targetting the Leave Liars who campaigned for this brexit nonsense, and not the decent folk who were fooled by the lies.

He is now getting an increasing number of people phoning to say they realise they were fooled and should never have believed the lies, but there is still some way to go. As we can all tell from the stridency and desperation of the pro-brexit posters on Gransnet, it is much easier to fool people than it is to get them to admit they have been fooled.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kakRJvyZ5eA

I discovered JO’B when I more or less gave up on the BBC. His book has been a best seller. I actually marginally prefer Shelagh Fogerty who follows him and does some very good political interviews. She is always well briefed but takes no prisoners when interviewing politicians. I think I would say that she is imo the best interviewer of politicians at the moment.

Varian says... ‘As we can all tell from the stridency and desperation of the pro Brexit posters on Gransnet’.......oh the brass neck of that comment from a poster who never misses a chance to insult and vilify 17.4 million people.

No Varian the stridency and desperation is all yours as you realise that leaving the EU is on the way.

Lemongrove

Didn't you see my post about the number of Remain voters being 16.1 million and that the Leave majority was only 1,4 million? Effectively this country is in absolute turmoil because of 1.4 million people.

It was not the fault of the 1.4 million who were defrauded by the way the 2016 referendum was done. They did not know precisely what they were voting for. (The lie about the NHS getting more money was not the only misinformation. )

'Leave' as we now see means so many different sorts of Leave that even experienced politicians are having trouble
with Leave. Not fair to blame voters who thought that Leave was a simple affair.

I turned on BBC Radio 4 this morning and was pleased to hear it announced that today the petition signed by 6, 030,100 people is due to be debated in parliament.

They then interviewed three MPs - an ERG (as always), and a Tory and a Labour MP each proposing different kinds of Brexit. That was it. There was no spokesman from any other party and most importantly none to speak for the millions who want to revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The pro-brexit bias of the BBC is utterly scandalous. I keep hoping that at some time they might acknowledge what has been clear for a long time - that most people do not want any kind of brexit because of the irrevocable damage it would do to our country, instead of which they keep promoting it, regardless of all the evidence.

Actually Alexa could I politely say us Leavers did know what we were voting for! The biggest problem is the Establishment don’t want us to have it and 400 Remain MPs are determined not to give it to us!

P.S. The £350mn on the side of that bus is now £419mn a week. To spend every week on whatever we wanted. (Not necessarily the NHS and we understood that too!).

And varian we just all enjoy basing the BBC. Yesterday morning on Andrew Marr his 3 guests were David Gauke (Remain), John Major (Remain) and Tom Watson (not sure - is anybody) who was promoting a second referendum. Biased much?
Aargh!!

Lily65 I'd like to know where there is an anarchist enclave as well. If Brexit goes ahead I might just join them.

Urmston yes, it wasn’t exactly mixed views ( on Marr) was it?!

Norway and Switzerland (among many others) are Anarchies, albeit of fairly low degree.
An-archy without master.

Sorry GG54, so you don't have any hard evidence for your assertion "Most of those 'signatures' were garnered from places where there are usually large 'youth' movements and anarchists enclaves" ?

Not quite GG4 effectively 'without a ruler' but more commonly recognised as 'without any state control". Something I m sure no-one could accuse Norway of.
Trying to deflect from a ridiculous statement by making more never works. Far better to apologise and move on.

There is a subtle difference between 'without a ruler' and 'without master'.
I did state that the aforementioned countries are 'low anarchies'.
Perhaps if you afforded as much time reading up about anarchies and enclaves as you do spending time on here, you might be better informed.
I'm not discussing this with you any further. You are blinkered. Finis.
Do have a good evening and spoil your nerves with a sherry.
All this kerfuffle about us leaving has got to you I fear.

Just checked the figures

UK - 5,783,392 signatories That is, five billion, seven hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred and ninety two.

Highest signature counts after that come from the following notoriously anarchist countries:

USA -25,190
Spain -25,679
Germany - 20,964
France seems to top the bill with - 45,466 (strange how we Brits seem to be so fond of France )

Apart from the obvious places, mostly in the EU, where Brits are likely to be settled or working the signature count is low, very often not even reaching double figures.

five billion, seven hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred and ninety two.

It's five million, seven hundred and eighty three thousand, three hundred and ninety two, surely?

Funny how it’s the “establishment” , “the elite” or “the bourgeoisie “ who are trying to stitch up the noble workers’ Brexit. I wonder what categories the blessed JRM , Johnson, Farage and Gove come into?
Talking of people changing their minds- this was JRM in 2012
'”I'm not an advocate of withdrawal from it [the EU]' Yes, this is @Jacob_Rees_Mogg arguing against Brexit 7 years ago before all his flip-flopping and far-right retweeting....”

GG54 Norway and Switzerland (among many others) are Anarchies, albeit of fairly low degree.
Never heard of an anarchy with a constitutional monarch who is head of the church and commander of the armed forces.
If Norway is an anarchy then the UK must be as well