JRM - man of principle

* but in the face of no Brexit, he’s going for a delayed Brexit - it’s all about what suits him*

And remain MPs are doing their best to ensure we remain because it suits them. The EU is a capitalist's dream scenario. That is the other side of the coin. Why do you think billionaires, and the likes of Branson etc, need us to stay in the EU?

I don’t ‘hate’ any politicians personally but I am doubtful about the credibility of people from very privileged backgrounds in politics.

told OH about this thread as we were driving to U3A this afternoon, and he said drily 'hmm yes, principles of not paying tax, for sure'.

I have never voted Tory, and almost certainly never will, but I simply do not understand the automatic hatred some people feel for others who happen to be rich and perceived as privileged. If you are born into a rich family and they send you to Eton, what are you supposed to do about it? I feel that to despise somebody because they went to Eton (or equivalent) is every bit as narrow and prejudiced as despising someone because they went to a bog-standard comprehensive.

JRM certainly has some antediluvian views, but I find him oddly fascinating. He looks so like a character out of Dickens or something, and then there are all those children....

Absolutely, of course you can't blame the kids. But it just depends what they do with it next. Some, like Benn, realise they have been so privileged and decide to give something back and help repair the unfairness of it all - others like RM - milk it to its full extent and never pay anything back - and their whole life is spent maximising the advantage, how his dad taught him- to amass fortunes on disaster politics (Brexit is perfect) - and avoid paying taxes that will help those less well off, be it via the NHS, education, etc, etc.

A jolly decent bloke not sure he would like the bloke title Hes a thief who doesn’t pay taxes on his millions... decent bloke indeeed

JRM is hedging his bets. It's a common strategy in finance hence the term 'Hedge Fund'.

The prospectus for Somerset Holdings reads:
The prospectus reads: “During, and possibly after, this period there is likely to be considerable uncertainty as to the position of the UK and the arrangements which will apply to its relationships with the EU.”

This is a legal requirement - the prospectus MUST list all risks and uncertainties, which of course includes brexit.

Making sensible decisions for his investors is not unpatriotic and does not mean Mogg believes that Brexit will be damaging, only that some turbulence in the financial markets is likely if we leave on WTO terms.

It is only May that seems to think Brexit can be painless. It can’t and won’t be painless if we properly leave, but a little short term pain is worth the end result - a properly independent country. We knew that when we voted to leave.

25Avalon
By the way Beammeupscottie do you actually know what a grockle is? It is what the locals call a holidaymaker visiting Devon or Cornwall although in Cornwall they are also called emmets.
I've posted that a couple of times before on threads, but posters obviously missed it.

I read:
JRM - man of principle
then
maryeliza54 Wed 27-Mar-19 10:54:06

and my jaw dropped.

To be fair, his company invests on behalf of others, it is not actually his own money, nor are all the profits his.
Has anyone got money invested in ISAs, PEPs, a pension fund etc?
Best check where it is all invested, it's dangerous to throw stones when you are in a glasshouse.

They're all the damned same, looking after their own interests------all parties. You never see any local MP's except when there's a GE.
EV as 25Avalon has said, J R-M happens to be a good constituency MP as all of us who voted him in are well aware - not that I did vote for him; however, those who did not but live in the constituency have also been helped by him.

I see my MP sometimes, he campaigns on behalf of constituents and always replies to letters and emails, asks Ministers questions and copies their replies to us too.
I'm sorry if your MP is a useless one EV - some are.

Bluebelle..... no no no according to many here he is a decent bloke. When he paraded his children infront of the cameras and somebody said a naughty word, there was outrage.

If he wants to wear silly clothes, lie and cheat and sanction no abortion even in the case of rape, its all fine and dandy isn't it?

^ Some, like Benn, realise they have been so privileged and decide to give something back and help repair the unfairness of it all ^
jura although I did like Benn, I must point out that he set up his considerable wealth so that no inheritance tax had to be paid on his estate.

I am surprised that so many people wear rose-tinted spectacles, or only see what they want to see.

^ Hes a thief who doesn’t pay taxes on his millions... decent bloke indeed^
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It is not his money - is your pension invested in that company, or something similar, if you have one?
Do you know where your pension is invested and if tax is paid on the investments?

You do all realise that the money you have in your bank account isn't all really tucked in a box with your name on it, waiting for you to withdraw or deposit funds.
Of course it's invested...but where and in what companies, that is the big question.
Unless you want to keep it under your mattress, I'd keep quiet on the subject of the how, where and with whom your money is squirreled away.

He is not principled. He is very devious and very clever and intellectually arrogant. He carefully thinks out every move to make sure that it will work out to his maximum advantage. He knows exactly how to pitch what he says to keep his admirers in his thrall.

He is a bit like a cult leader - and when did one of those ever run the cult for the benefit of the devotees rather than himself.

I do not hate JRM, on the contrary, I admire him deeply. Anyone who can pull the wool over people's eyes the way he has deserves admiration.

He is the flip side to jeremy Corbyn. Both are deeply subversive to their very core, just that JRM is rather good at it and JC is completely inept.

I don't think some people do realise Gabriella

Unless everything is invested ethically, who knows where pension funds, money in the bank - anything - is invested. Arms companies, tobacco companies, invested in countries whose politics posters may disapprove of, social media companies whose ethics some despise.

Be very careful - if you wish to be ethical and conscientious then check it all assiduously.
You may not know and could be shocked.

He is the flip side to jeremy Corbyn. Both are deeply subversive to their very core, just that JRM is rather good at it and JC is completely inept.
I am not defending him because I like or approve of him - just that many people only seem to see what they wish to see and that goes for politicians they admire too.

Max0403 Wed 27-Mar-19 16:06:14

" I don’t ‘hate’ any politicians personally but I am doubtful about the credibility of people from very privileged backgrounds in politics."
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Fair enough if that is your view on those from either the left or right of politics .

It is the case to some it only applies to those on the right whom they admit they ' hate '.

Hilary Benn did not go to Public School, but I think just a little delve into how family money was protected after their father died would raise a few eyebrows!!!

You don't have to ' delve' very hard.

This is another thread that gives rise to 'people in glass houses.'

Because the Benns protected their money doesn’t mean that therefore everyone else who does that is off the hook. The tax system in this country is in need of root and branch reform - including IHT and especially the whole off shore/ tax haven scams. But as far as JRM is concerned, he said TM’sdeal made us a vassal state and now he’s going to vote for it?

I’m not in a glass house btw do I’ll thtow as many stones as I wish thank you very much

POGS, how do you know where or how we live?

Pog I think that some Career politicians have developed a theoretical construct based on their their rather narrow life experience and that this has contributed to the dissatisfaction with the political status quo that led to the Leave vote.

Jalima I admire him, I think he is brilliant. I can just see him for what he is.

No! The only principle he has is serving himself!