Appalling news about Brexit

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Not CRIMINAL Maryeliza, I’m afraid you’re misinformed.

maddy <sigh> . I understand the word criminal thank you very much. You are WRONG.

Plus, are you honestly arguing that it’s absolutely fine for our lawmakers to have a criminal conviction? Do you really support having MPs with criminal convictions? Surely we should expect the very best quality of person if we are going to put them into such a privileged position. There is always an outcry, quite rightly, when MPs make legitimate claims on expenses which we feel is really poor form. Can anyone seriously suggest, given this as background, that we allow convicted criminals to serve in the HofC and make laws which require us, the public, to behave in certain ways, whilst they themselves are unable to do so. Frankly, anyone who agrees with such a thing, has a very unbalanced way of looking at things. I’m truly astounded!

Maryeliza, sigh, you’re wrong.

Recemtly a doctor at a local NHS Trust was found guilty of assault by beating and possession of class A drugs. He therefore has two criminal convictions. He has been suspended by the MPTS for six months and then he is going back to work as a doctor. This is just one example - there are many others for doctors, nurses, dentists, social workers, etc etc etc. If I post something as a FACT on GN then it is a FACT. It is a FACT that it is possible to be employed as a regulated professional with a criminal conviction.

And I didn’t say whether or not I thought it was acceptable or not for an MP to have a criminal conviction - I said that she was legally entitled to be sitting as an MP - there is a difference. I have this rather odd affection for the rule of law and due process and am able to separate out the importance of adhering to those from my feelings about what the person has done.

Robinson and EDL are not representative of the leave vote, but are often trotted out by those against leaving the EU as an example of those wanting to leave!!!

ALL THE TIME. Normal, peace loving people who voted to leave are nothing like those thugs, who are a small minority of hateful people.

There are many and various reasons for people wanting to get out of the EU (all over the continent of Europe too) and Remainers still seem to take great pleasure in sneering (still) and mentioning a thuggish faction which is not representative of anyone I know who voted Leave or typical of any small town in the UK.

Most of our neighbours are Leavers and are as nice a bunch of people, from all backgrounds, ages and professions, as anyone could wish to meet.

Ordinary people are very angry at the ruling liberal elite who are doing all in their power to stop Brexit.

The democracy is in a coffin. It's dead.

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@GabriellaG54
Your response simply proves my point.

I agree that the far right EDL/ football thugs are using Brexit as a vehicle for their hate campaigns but that doesn’t mean we should tolerate them. Of course most leave voters would disassociate themselves from their open abuse and violence, but that message of “ not in my name”needs to be loud and clear. The fact that TR is now part of UKIP should be of concern. The fact that such a hateful minority get headlines and are able to give speeches in Parliament Square means they attract publicity they do not deserve. Too many willing to be apathetic and “I’m not worried I’m sure I’ll be able to get my favourite cheap stuff” illustrates a head in the sand mentality.

There were two items of news yesterday that demonstrate yet again why it matters about the right wing racist factions amongst the Leave camp. Leaked emails have proved UKIP led entryism into DG’s constituency party and secondly NF’s Brexit party has lost another official for online support of TR. Anyone who makes light of this racist element of Leave is really underestimating the danger they pose. It doesn’t matter how many ‘nice’ people voted Leave - it matters what their leaders are upto.

Thank you Day6.

It is being said on some social media that FOs tag also carries a 7pm - 7am curfew.

She was in the HofCs at 11pm, if the curfew is correct does that mean that her vote is not valid, and that as she could have broken parole/tag conditions she should be recalled to prison?

I am not trying to be awkward just genuinely interested to find out?

Donald Tusk wants to let the UK off gradually and offer them a whole year to decide on what they want.

After all the best deal the UK ever had was to be in the EU. Nothing better will follow but it should be done without violence.

@MargaretX
I'm afraid there has been such a drive in the mainstream media to portray the EU as our enemy that it has led to palpable hatred so that any calm and rational discussion about its faults and its benefits is now impossible, and Tusk's offer will simply be dismissed as 'interfering' or the EU 'telling us what to do'.
As for violence emanating from the Leave side - they assure us it is a small, unimportant minority. We'll see.
So thanks Mr Tusk - for offering a sensible option - but your good intention will only earn you a verbal slap in the face from those who see you as the foe, and the author of all our woes. And it will, of course, enrage the more febrile elements. Fortunately, I don't see them posting on Gransnet - maybe in this respect, older really is wiser.
And so, another day in Westminster - where the politicians from BOTH sides will continue to put Party and self-interest first... using the "will of the British people" - when it suits their argument.

Excellent post Day6.

Ordinary people are very angry at the ruling liberal elite who are doing all in their power to stop Brexit.

I'm an 'ordinary person', Day6 and so are all my Remainer friends. We're not in the least bit angry about anything being done to try to stop Brexit.

The democracy is in a coffin. It's dead.

What 'democracy' would that be? The one where cheating, lying and breaking the law are perfectly acceptable so long as you 'win'?

I thought the British were better than that; I thought that one of our lauded virtues was our sense of 'fair play'.

Clearly one of us is mistaken about what 'democracy' entails...

Who are the “ruling elite” that the “ordinary people” are angry with? Would that be the Johnsons, Goves, Francois, Rees Moggs of this world who have blocked May’s agreement and divided the ruling party? I’m angry with them for peddling their narrow minded nationalism. Plus I’m an ordinary person too.

The ruling elite are the experts don't you know? In fact anybody who has facts and figures at their fingertips before making a comment. Witness the recent debate about measles vaccinations. There are still people who refuse to have their children immunised despite recommendations by the WHO etc.

Travel writer Simon Calder writes about the lies and distortions of the truth promoted on social media by the pro-brexit campaigners.

"As the political temperature rises, the invective about travel after Brexit is becoming ever more shrill – especially on social media. In case you find yourself at the receiving end of some “information” about travel procedures over the next few years, and are unsure about its veracity, allow me to help with a trio of topics which have been swirling around in cyberspace.

On Thursday I wrote that the European parliament had voted by 502 to 81 in favour of allowing British travellers to make short visits to the EU without a visa, in the event of a no-deal Brexit.

On Twitter, T J Seeker was quick to respond: “Another remoaner lie – Brits needing visas for travel around EU post Brexit: EXPOSED!”

Well, had MEPs not voted for the concession, we would have been third-country nationals who needed visas. Also, from 2021 when the European Travel Information and Authorisation System (Etias) comes into effect, UK travellers will need to apply in advance for permission to visit the European Union.

While Etias is not officially described a visa, I think a scheme that requires you to fill out forms and pay €7 ahead of applying for admission can reasonably be known as a “Euro visa” for short."

www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brexit-travel-fake-news-european-parliament-visas-standby-flights-no-deal-a8855036.html

The words European Union were removed from passport covers from 30 March – the day the UK was expected to leave the EU

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-british-passports-european-union-eu-remove-words-brexit-delay-a8857501.html

Thank goodness most passports are still EU. I hope those blue passports will be replaced with EU passports free of charge if we remain in the EU.

Thank goodness my husband applied a few months before his passport expired. It came this week and is still an EU passport.

You people are over-estimating people.

The type of people who could contribute to civil unrest in a no deal Brexit are not necessarly the types who have a history of violence/aggression and extreme views.

A few days of food/fuel supply instability, gridlocks on roads, delays in wage payments... and it would happen. And it wouldnt be a small group with extreme political views.

They are not preparing for heated political protests, they are preparing for a rush on stockpiling elc