EU elections

I’m done (in).

I’m sorry to have taken over this thread, but I was being pressed for answers and I didn’t want to seem I was being disrespectful by not responding. There were just so many points to address!

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It’s never to early for a nice cuppa & cake Urmstongran
The sun is shining here & I hope it is where you are, it is good for us all to forget about the whole situation for a while ??

You’re right on that Bridgeit
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bridgeit as you know, "urban" refers to towns or cities while "urbane" means courteous and refined in manner.
Not an adjective we'd choose to describe NF!

I didn’t like to point that out mcem in case I was tarred and feathered ... hence my courteous reply that ‘hinted’ at the difference by spelling it both ways in the appropriate manner.

I would hate to hurt anyone’s feelings.
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Hey mcem wot, no mention of my replies to all your questions?

I worked so hard this morning around 9am too!!

Yes, we do have a different moral compass Urmston. I would not vote for NF even if he was demanding we stay in the EU. There are no circumstances in which I would vote for him or anyone like him. It is like encouraging bad behaviour in a toddler.

Okay Nonnie glad that’s sorted.
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Urmston as you don't think being called 'simplistic' is an insult I suggest that you don't understand the impact of leaving the EU and then, later, voting to return. If we discover that leaving was a really bad idea and then grovel to return do you not realise we would lose our current preferential status and what that would mean?

I only described your viewpoint as simplistic Nonnie indicating that the subject is nuanced. It was definitely not a personal attack in any way and if you took it as such, then I most sincerely apologise to you.

And your second point may never become relevant so why worry about it?

UrmstonI made that comment in response to yours because it seemed to me that was what you were implying. Please clarify.

Yes indeed UG and I appreciate that but this quick visit doesn't give me time to answer you adequately.

nonnie I’m really sorry but I’m muddled completely now!

I think it was that you had suggested the Conservative government would get us out of the EU so why vote for Farage and the Brexit Party.

I said that was too simplistic.

I didn’t mean you I meant your ‘solution’ was. That was when you seemed upset or annoyed with me.

I said I thought the situation was more nuanced than that. This is because in my opinion, Mrs May & Olly Robbins plus a good few others in her Cabinet have fudged a Keave ‘agreement’ - one with which the EU are delighted with and do not want to reopen.

So I apologised in case I had hurt your feelings. And that is where we are.

Now I’m totally confused. Have I missed something here?

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Hello Nonnie ?
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Urmston you have completely lost me with your misunderstanding and quite frankly I can't be bothered with you any more. Imo your mind is closed and you don't want to hear the opinions of those who disagree with you so I give up. I have asked time and time again for leavers to give me a good reason to change my mind. Clearly they are not open to doing so, perhaps they don't understand being open to other opinions,

I am a leave voter, as is my dh and two dear sons., and we certainly do intent to vote for the Brexit Party. Westminster seems unable to understand how angry Leave voters are and think it will go away if they just ignore it and keep putting the date back. We are just waiting for next GE to vote out those who do not represent their constituents wishes.

Nonnie, in my book bad behaviour in politicians is voting to put the decision on whether to Leave or Remain into the hands of the public. Then refusing to implement their decision because it was not the decision they expected/wanted. Meaning many elected MP's of all parties are refusing to represent the views of their constituents. ERG are accused by May of bad behaviour but actually ERG they are simply voting in line with the Conservative 2017 manifesto, which got them voted into office.

newnany you say "Westminster seems unable to understand how angry Leave voters are" but has it occurred to you how angry the rest of are? From our viewpoint those who campaigned to leave lied, cheated and broke electoral law. Can you understand why we see that as grossly unfair, how we think some voted because they believed it all?

As I have said we are where we are so what is your solution to move forward? One that will be accepted in Westminster and by the public?

Oh Nonnie trying to talk with you is like trying to knit up a bowl of spaghetti.
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I have apologised if I hurt your feelings but you seemed pretty determined to sulk. So be it.

You may have asked ‘leavers’ (of which I am only one by the way so you can stop heckling me) to ‘explain to you’ about Brexit. In case you can be persuaded to change your mind?? Do me a favour.

I think you are being disingenuous. After 3 years a person of your skills and ability will have had plenty of opportunity to read, engage in multiple discussions on this forum and made your mind up about how you like to vote - especially as we are only 9 days away from the EU elections.

That said, being you, you will twist this exchange to try further to put me in a bad light by sweetly insisting how open you are!

Good luck going forward.

I’m grateful you’ve had enough of me.

I find you high maintenance.

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I apologise if this spat between Nonnie and myself has temporarily spoiled this thread.

I do hope it can get back on track as it’s been several hours now ‘out of action’ which is a shame for the OP - especially as the topic is so relevant.

I won’t post on this thread again.

I have to agree nonnie. I can see no 'losers consent' galloping over the hill for the very reason you say. Now it looks like May will not be able to get a compromise agreement with Labour, for the simple reason she can't offer a Customs Union in services. If she does she will loose the votes of Brexiteers on her side as they need to be able to bargain with our services, mainly the huge market the NHS offers the USA, which they will need to be able to offer to get a trade deal. So much for the money on the side of the bus going into the NHS.

Yet again I have been rebuffed (change from being ignored) by a leave voter who is unable to answer my question. Incidentally that poster has yet again been unpleasant to me after saying they never are! The apology is 'disingenuous' because it implies the 'spat' is two ways when all I have done is react and ask questions. I understand the expression is 'taking their bat home' when a child runs out of ways to justify their behaviour. Hey ho, been on here a long time and seen it all before

I reiterate: Please would someone who is convinced that leaving the EU is a good idea explain to me why I should change me mind? We are running out of time.

I am voting Labour in the EU elections. I would never vote for NF he's only interested in himself. He's got no polices if he won EU, most votes, he would become MP Why are people so concerned with Brexit when the country is in the state it's in caused by nine years of Tory unnecessary austerity? This country needs putting back together NF won't do that.

Nonnie - I think that you are banging your head against a brick wall trying to get leavers to explain why they want to leave. Even a broadcaster as skilled as James O'Brien has difficulty some times because they don't actually know. " I believe", "I know" "I think" ... that we will do better. WTO rules will be better. When J O'B explains to them, the leavers bluster, try to change the argument and attack him. His view now is that he feels sorry for them, because they have been misled and lied to.

I note that the sovereignty argument has now disappeared from Leavers' arguments which is one thing less to argue about.

The Leavers on here are at great pains to explain that they understood what it meant to leave and they hadn't been misled. I heard one man on J O'B in tears when he said that he'd voted to leave because he was poorly educated, working class and didn't understand and he wished that he hadn't voted that way.

I won't mention any more but there are some good clips on Youtube.

Dinahmo I tend to agree with you but it is frustrating that apparently intelligent people come on such threads and insit they are right but have nothing with which to back it up. It is scary that people can vote for such a dramatic change for our country's future on some sort of gut feeling without finding out the details first. We will cope with the fallout but many won't and the legacy we leave behind will haunt the country for a long time to come. Of course those who voted for it will quietly pretend they didn't or blame some other reason for the fallout. I despair.