What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

Farage is a terrible man. Pretends he's a man of the people when he is very wealthy, takes a salary for being a MEP yet rarely attends sessions, is on the EU fisheries committee but again rarely attends, is against freedom of movement but his children have EU passports so they can move freely.And as others have commented the so called Brexit party operates more like a company. People can make them donations but they cant be members in the same way that people are members of the other political parties they have no say in the leadership or the policies etc. For someone concerned about democracy this seems very odd.

That was such a mean thing to say Lily65

What a way to speak to a grown woman. You wouldn’t say that (I’m sure you’re nicer in real life) so why be a keyboard warrior?

Gabriella G can take care of herself as she is always telling us. In the circumstance I don't see anything wrong with what Lily 65 said.

It terrifies me that the latest polls show around 1/3 of the population intend to vote for this scumbag. I remember when I first saw footage of the concentration camps - I must have been about ten. Then I devoured Anne Frank, Primo Levi and others who had first hand experience of the consequence of Farage-type ideologies. I talked to people who had been through the war and who embraced the prospect of peace that unity with Europe promised - and brought.

You might think I’m being over dramatic. But history shows that this hatred of anyone different and the politics of xenophobia that he and his US buddies like Bannon and Trump espouse, and his funders like Banks, with their links to Russian money, ends up in very, very horrible places. I happen to be a remainer, but I wouldn’t vote for Farage, ever, whatever his stance on Brexit: he promotes the vile politics of division and misogyny and racism and anti-semitism and hatred of Muslims and anyone else that doesn’t fit the far right narrow view of who should be in this country, and what their status should be if they’re allowed to remain. If people who support him and vote for him don’t like being labelled stupid or ignorant, then that means they are intentionally supporting the disaster we are heading for if Farage & his buddies like “Tommy Robinson” gain any power. And, unlike the first time round, with the Nazis and Italian fascists, this time right wing extremism will happen in the context of a destroyed planet that they will continue to destroy: they don’t believe in climate change any more than they believe in human rights. Do you want to be responsible for leaving this to your grandchildren?

I realise that Framilode but with respect, that’s not the point is it?

If I read something scathing such as that bitter post from Lily65 and say nothing, it feels (to me - and any of you lot out there with me on this?) like a tacit understanding of agreement.

Absolutely not! It made me and I bet others too, feel uncomfortable.

Civility costs nothing.

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I completely agree Urmstongran. The level of nasty comments on here is personal and unnecessary. Reading the level of vitriol on here puts me off posting. Some posters on here need to learn some manners.

cyclingknitter I absolutely agree with every word. It is so frightening. I have been so naive thinking that this could never happen again in Europe.

Civility costs nothing - a reasonable comment!
Please flag it up to GG54 and point out that any critical posts directed to her are as a direct result of her appalling posts re spelling, grammar, 'class', professional qualifications etc!

I have encountered no-one at all on GN who comes close to her oft-expressed attitudes!

cyclingknitter - I also agree with your comments. I watched Question Time on catchup after reading some of he comments about faridge here. Neither Anna Soubry or Amber Rudd did a great job but his behaviour and smug attitude was disgraceful. I think that some of the Leavers on here are like lemmings - hurtling towards the cliff edge and taking Remainers with them.

Very good post Cyclingknitter,& sadly as you say so very worrying.

I do wonder about your sense of self Day 6. No one has painted all leave voters as "thick, stupid, unaware".

Oh that is pathetic and snide GracesGranand you know it.

May I ask where YOU have been for these last three years? The papers and Remainer rags in particular as well as Remainer media personalities have resorted to portraying Leavers as unknowing, stupid, old, thick. The lofty and elitist Remainer since losing the referendum, has resorted to insults about the winning majority.

Do you have some sort of confidence problem perhaps, that makes you think that people are seeing you like that?

Bless you for your concern. That comment says so much about you.

^Farage-type ideologies*

The man, and millions of others, wants only to LEAVE THE EU - a so called trading bloc!!!!

For goodness sakes....proportion is needed. Get some!

Leave/Remain. We ALL had a choice.

Lots and lots and lots and lots (sigh) of people - millions and millions in fact, of all ages, ethnic groups, academic abilities, WANT TO LEAVE THE EU. So does Farage.

Get used to it - and stop the absolutely pathetic character assassination.

We all know our history.

It is a sad state of affairs that Remainers are resorting to a very gruesome comparison and now suggesting (surprise surprise) that Leavers are unknowing and blinkered in supporting Farage.

People support anti-semite Corbyn and co, don't they? What does that say about HIS followers?

It’s says to me that if people are choosing to support Corbyn & Farage then we have a very serious problem in this country.
We need new leaders for all parties , currently we are caught between a rock & a hard place!

I could make a list of all the, lies, duplicity and unpleasantness of Farridge, but even if he were a serial killer his supporters would shrug it off and lap up his hateful message. There are plenty of historical comparisons which should be made explicit, Farridge supporters have made plenty themselves, see Widdecombe's stupid remarks about World War 2.

Day 6, if it makes you feel a better person you keep telling yourself that. What I do know is that statistically more older people voted (three years ago) for leave than voted for remain. That isn't "Remainer rags" or "Remainer media personalities" "portraying" all leave voters as anything at all. It is just a simple fact. The only people determined to see being defined as "older" as an "insult" are people such as yourself. I shall be 70 this year. Should someone described me as "older" why on earth would I see it as an insult? It is a simple fact.

Equally, is was reported that, statistical, a greater proportion of leave voters were "less educated". Again not an insult, unless you are determined to see it as one, but a simple fact. I would guess that my family are a fairly unexceptional when it comes to education, in that, overall, my generation is more educated than my parents and my children's generation, overall, more educated than mine. Simply stating that as a fact cannot, by any reasonable person, be seen as an "insult". Being less educated, by generation, is at least as much to do with opportunity as it is to do with intelligence. If, in any statistical analysis you were to show a greater number of older people in one cohort than in another, I would expect that robot also to show a greater number to be less educated as a simple fact.

What I have found, not just on here, but on two other forums, is that much older people plead their knowledge of the war, as if they were fighting in it although they were not, as a reason for being they have greater wisdom when it comes to having voted leave and that the nothing has yet changed the Dunning Kruger Effect in either voting cohort. But those are just personal discoveries.

Result not robot.

I used to wonder how it was that the fascists came to power in Europe during the 30s, how the voter was prepared to accept “othering” as a political tool.
I am now beginning to understand when I read the sort of denial that is going on in such a simple forum as GN. Denial is such a powerful emotion. I’m sure now the voter allows herself to uncritically accept and select the views she wants to hear, whilst blocking out anything she perceives as negative.
This is what happens when a powerful authoritarian figure like Trump, Farage, and the rest become part of the acceptable political melee. The political tools are much more sophisticated now than the 30s, and not such a blunt instrument. But they are there.

When I hear statements like “Farage only wants to leave the EU, and nothing else” It is quite clear that denial is taking place. That this statement makes it clear that either the person has not read a single thing about Farage over the past few years, or is in denial. I am inclined to believe the latter.
What is astounding however, is what a powerful force denial can be.

Of course there is always the thought that in fact some people would like to see a fascist regime in the U.K.

Day 6, I think you are missing the point when it comes to Farage's ideologies. It is not about wanting to leave, there are almost as many reasons for wanting to do that as people who say they want it. It is how he sees the country afterwards that is worrying.

I also feel concerned, firstly about your blood pressure, as you seem very wound-up, but more about the phrase "so called trading bloc!!!!" (I hope I got the right number of exclamation marks). Are you denying this? I have to admit that is a first for me if that is what you are arguing.

Personally I’m not interested in liking or disliking Farage or any other politician. To me voting for Farage and the new Brexit Party represents a protest vote. I believe in democracy. We had a referendum but the result has not been accepted. Hence three years of endless arguments and bickering. So I will not be abstaining, lazy, or spoiling my ballot paper I will vote Brexit Party as a protest.

Day6... you must be doing something right to get
A few posters on here so hot and bothered about your comments.

Farage ( or Farridge as some keep calling him) has always called for us to leave the EU, and he knows a thing or two about it, having been in the midst of it’s bureaucracy for a long time.He is not ‘evil’ or another Hitler, so posters should not get their knickers in a twist about the prospect of him
Being able to turn the UK into Nazi Germany.
What voting for the Brexit Party for the EU elections may do however, is to show those in power that they ignore the referendum results at their peril.

If you enjoy watching horror films where the inevitable is disaster then Farage will do it for you.

I’ll be watching Nigel Farage on the Andrew Marr show at 10am. Just get my breakfast first then settle down with a cup of coffee.
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Toxic Tony Blair is on Sky at the moment. I’ve put him on mute - he’s likely to cause me indigestion. Banging on (again) about a second referendum. Ain’t gonna happen mate. He looks pinched and rattled. It’s not going his way right now.

I really have no idea why those who voted remain cannot see / understand that it is in part our “muppet” MPs who have not delivered on their manifestos and oft repeated “pre-election and referendum promises” to honour the result of the Advisory Referendum 3 years ago.

They promised- no customs union and no single market!!!! Mays withdrawal agreement is an abomination and Corbyns changes with the wind.

Farage has seen how the electorate have been cheated seen the “gap in our muppet political system’ and hey ho we have the Brexit Party..,,,,,,,and I sincerely hope that they do well in the EU elections.

Not really lemongrove. 'Re today 8:55. I can't move yet this morning and Day6 makes such appalling arguments that I can at least get some pleasure rebutting them while the tablets kick in.

I think the government has done all it ever could to "deliver brexit" but the false promises made by the lying leave campaign are, and always were, undeliverable.

It is high time that those who were fooled into believing them understand that simple fact that you cannot have a "cake and eat it" brexit and any kind of brexit will harm our country.