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Another Scottish Referendum

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Lyndiloo Thu 25-Apr-19 02:20:19

Nicola Sturgeon has announced that she will call for another Scottish Independence Referendum in 2021.

Bearing in mind that the UK will (should ...?) have left the EU by then, and that Scotland (should the vote be Yes) will presumably apply to rejoin the EU, what do Gransnetters think of their prospects out of the UK?

Callistemon Thu 25-Apr-19 16:19:19

I understood your post perfectly well, mcem

What I did not understand is why you are so worried that policies that apply in England should affect Scotland when these policies are devolved.

I said that I sympathise with those in England who feel they or their families are in any way suffering under current policies.

I do not understand why Scotland becoming independent would help to change that? If Scottish MPs are more left-leaning then surely, not having any Scottish MPs in the UK Parliament could mean a RUK Parliament which is more right-wing?
So, if you are worried about the RUK and all the people living there, then Scotland staying in the UK would be better for England and Wales too.

I'm sorry, but I just do not understand the message you are trying to put across.

Callistemon Thu 25-Apr-19 16:21:51

but if you are happy with your own environment that's fine
I did not say that, nowhere is perfect, and I have seen posts from Scots who are less than happy with decisions made by the Scottish Parliament.

mcem Thu 25-Apr-19 17:08:07

Precisely. I did not suggest that your environment is perfect. Happiness may be achieved without perfection and I'm well aware that some Scots don't agree with me.
You are creating an argument where none exists.
I have described the situation of my family as I see it.

mcem Thu 25-Apr-19 17:13:43

May I add that I do not believe it is unreasonable to sympathise with others who may be less content with their lot. Despite that fact that Scotland's representation at Wesminster is predominantly SNP there is relatively little they can do (given EVEL) to budge policies leftward.
You seem to infer various and concerns which simply are not part of my posts.

Callistemon Thu 25-Apr-19 17:21:54

the allocation of school places in the rotten free schools and rigid academies process
I did not realise that Westminster was imposing this system of education in Scotland too, if that is that case then I apologise.
Wales has so far resisted.

SirChenjin Thu 25-Apr-19 17:30:01

It's not imposing anything Calliste - Scotland's education system is fully devolved and consequently WM has nothing to do with the fact that CfE is a shambles and we've dropped significantly in the PISA rankings smile

Callistemon Thu 25-Apr-19 17:34:15

Thank you SirChenjin for the information.

JenniferEccles Thu 25-Apr-19 17:34:36

Nicola Sturgeon never gives up does she? It's a bit like those clamouring here for a second referendum on the EU.

I guess it all boils down to whether the Scots want to be in the EU more than they want to be part of the UK.

Either way I don't think it will make a jot of difference to us in England, apart of course from saving the not inconsiderable amount we give Scotland each year.

GrandmaJan Thu 25-Apr-19 17:47:52

Like others have said Nicola Sturgeon will never give up but the issue regarding the EU could be interesting because the EU may not want Scotland. I’m sure this was mentioned before and the EU weren’t interested.

SirChenjin Thu 25-Apr-19 18:00:06

I'm sure the EU will want Scotland just fine - but at what cost to our economy and purses, given that our deficit exceeds the minimum required to join by many billions. Of course, the EU might bend the rules and turn a blind eye to it, or it might not... Ultimately, we have no way of knowing - so at the moment it's all just vague offerings from the SNP (which is more than sufficient for the nationalists).