Playing with fire

With the way that things are with this useless Tory government at Westminster who would blame the Welsh government for believing that this could be an excellent time to put the thought of indendence into the minds of the Welsh electorate.

I agree that they could certainly be forgiven for distancing themselves from Westminster.
I wonder what brought that thought to the attention of policy makers in Wales.
Has there been a noticeable rise in the reporting of such 'abuse'...

Possibly following Holyrood's lead.

Can us English people get independence from Westminster too please.

does it herald an undertone of wanting independence?

No.

Plaid have 10 Assembly members and the other parties combined have 50 AM.

It's a divergence from English law but...does it herald an undertone of wanting independence?
Lots of areas diverge from English law or thinking, eg education - there are no grammar schools or academies in Wales. but that means independence of thought rather than a desire for independence.

By campaigners you mean the ‘I was hit as a child it didn’t do me any harm’ empty headed idiots?

I don’t know seeing some patents these days endlessly sitting their kids down to discuss why they pushed over little Jamie or why they feel the need to run around a cafe screaming I think a quick snack would be infinitely preferable for all concerned.

It was said back last year and no , not independance , Wales is too poor

I must be one of your empty headed idiots maryeliza ....
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I must be an " empty-headed idiot !"

Smacking, hitting, frightening or hurting children is not only wrong, it’s a useless way of helping children to modify their behaviour. How any adult can believe that chastisement that includes shock, pain and fear is good parenting is beyond me. Reasonable chastisement - find more effective less abusive parenting skills

I was seldom smacked but when I was about 8, on one occasion with a sibling, each given 1 whack on the bare buttocks with the buckle end of dad's belt, after constantly talking across the landing to other siblings in their bedrooms when we should have been asleep. Ouch!!
We didn't do it again.
It didn't do either of us any harm...except having red cheeks for a bit.

I smacked my older two occasionally. Can safely say they are completely normal adult men and great dads. I was smacked and it really really didn’t do me any harm.

Most parents know how to control themselves and most parents worship their children.

iam64

There are degrees of that though arnt there.,the odd slap on the bottom isn’t in any way harmful. Regular violent beatings are.

I too am an empty headed idiot

Mycatisahacker I have sometimes thought that parents who come up with punishments involving cancelling outings or taking away toys - or even throwing away - are actually being really unpleasant to their children and a quick smack would be better all round.

Yes mycatisahacker, there are degrees of harm. I’m in the don’t hit children camp. I don’t say all parents who occasionally smack once with a hand are harming their children, I do believe smacking should be avoided. There are more effective methods of discipline. I smacked one of mine at age 11 on the legs after she did something she knew was dangerous, stupid and that both her parents would be upset, angry and worried. I wish I’d handled it better, as I usually would have. I’m not claiming expert parenting, I dislike hitting or violence in families.

Deedaa

You are completely right.,I well remember popping into my neighbours house to see her 5 year old weeping., she had told him he had been so naughty he was being sent to the children’s home!!

She was an anti smacker too.

The sheer cruelty made my blood boil and we had such words we have never spoken to this day.,

That’s 27 years ago. Her son emigrated to Oz aged 19!!!

Go figure.

Me too iam64 honestly been there but don’t beat yourself up, excuse the expression.

I bet your dd completely understands your actions.,

There are far worse things than a smack on the bum.,

Yes it’s not ideal but neither is it abuse.,

Exactly, throwing away toys and endless threats eg Father Christmas won’t come etc can be emotionally abusive. Parenting - easy peasy ?

Mycat - You’ve just reminded me of DM who ‘didn't believe in corporal punishment’. At 6 my life changed, DF back from the war, living as a family of 3 instead of at DGP’s, different school, new neighbours, loss of former friends. I can’t have been very happy, I guess.
My screams and tantrums led to DM telling me I was ‘beyond parental control’ so could be ‘taken away’.

DGPs’