I think the Remain parties have got it wrong

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quiz I disagree, no borders means freer trade, although we didn't join the Shengen so we still have them. No change then for UK.

Have you not noticed we are electing our own representatives next week?

But we don't pay high fees to trade in the EU so that is not correct.

You are also wrong about not being able to study in the EU unless you are a member, the fees are different in accordance with the country in which you wish to study. EU nationals have to pay the same as UK nationals in England but nothing in Scotland. Pretty much the same as the EHIC, treated the same as the locals wherever you are.

I think you have misunderstood the airline issue. I have seen a suggestion that it would be better for UK airlines to be run from EU countries as they would then not be subject to the same tariffs but that is only if we leave, not if we stay. I have read nothing about other airlines so if I misunderstand please send me a link.

The funding is more complex, we all pay in according roughly to our GDP and it is then paid out according to need. One example is Poland, which has had quite a lot of help which has meant it has improved its economy and no longer needs so much help. When the next round happens they will pay in more. Because their economy has improved they are a bigger market for the rest of us. Wales has been a net winner and has received more than it has paid in.

The 'unelected' are appointed by those we vote in.

Yes, the EU is not perfect but it is better to be part of a large buying group than the equivalent of a corner shop v Tesco.

Fire is that because they haven't listened or because they won't admit they made a mistake? I know what your answer will be but I must tell you that I was sure TM was going to make a good PM and am now very happy to admit I was wrong which is why I have continued to ask Leavers to convince me I'm wrong now. I can't understand why, if they have good reasons, they won't tell me. GG has kindly given me her answer which seems to be based upon very personal reasons rather than the good of the country.

Ellan see above

What benefits are there to be a member state of the EU?

No borders- that's a danger, not a benefit. Every country should know who is coming into their country and why.
Your own elected representatives (whom you can get rid of every 5 years if they perform badly) not being able to make decisions which affect their own countries- that is wrong on all levels.
Having to pay increasingly high fees in order to trade 'freely'- that is a joke, isn't it!
Only being able to work and study in the EU if you are a member- I assume there are no Americans, S Africans or any other non EU nationalities living there at all.
...and one of the most ridiculous comments, I have read on here.... 'All airlines will have to have their HQs in the EU in order to fly /land. Excuse me while I just write to Quantas, El Al etc. and inform them of that rule.

There is no EU funding for anything, it is just money recycled from the EU member states who pay in the most, with some creamed off to pay the salaries and expenses of all involved.

What 'trading area' needs a flag, an anthem, an army, Parliaments in two different places and 5 unelected and unaccountable Commissioners/Presidents. Just cut out the middle man, I say.

Where are all the logical reasons given by those who voted leave ? I've never seen a straight/ honest answer from anyone as to why they voted that way.

Nonnie no leave voter I know have changed their minds for remain all are more determined than ever that we need to leave now.

There are plenty of niggles that I have about the EU but my reason for voting remain was:-

Undoing 40 years of EU membership was far too complex to achieve without a great deal of disruption, far better for us to reform it by staying in.

I now know it causes far more disruption than I thought.

Fire which part of 'no chance' do you mean? Is it 'sit back and realise they are wrong' or 'do the right thing'? Or even 'unless one of them can show me facts that prove I am wrong"? Perhaps it is all of them.

Seems like that is now 5 leavers refusing to answer the question. Wonder if that is because they can't?

Here are some of the many reasons to REMAIN

www.remainvoter.com/post/reasons-to-stay-in-the-eu

In your dreams lol no chance ?

Humpty I have a feeling he trained Trump!

Some seem to think that if your keep Trumpeting (pun intended) the same old sound bites people will believe them. Of course they are right but I hope enough of us will tell the truth for people to listen. I am still hoping that enough of those who have shouted Leave over and over again will eventually sit back and realise they are wrong and just quietly go and vote next week for a remain party. No one will ever know that they did the right thing. That is of course unless one of them can show me facts that prove I am wrong. 4 refused so far but still hopeful......................

Sounds as if he is modelling himself on Trump and his insistence that the inauguration was packed with supporters:

"The new White House had spent the large part of Mr Trump's first day in office falsely claiming his inauguration was the most-viewed in history, with the largest audience in attendance in Washington."

No Fire you are totally wrong. There were a few people last night. Check out the photos on Twitter. When so few turned up they claimed that protesters were stopping them getting in, once again look at the photos. Facts not fantasy.

All The Brexit Party Rallies have and are sold out, standing room only at some of them.

There is a lot of talk about how NF is being funded, apparently the figures don't add up and they think it is someone donating several times over to cheat the system.

If he is so popular why did so few people turn up at MT yesterday?

Yes Fire but I think that once we do leave the EU, the huge amount of support for the Brexit Party will naturally ‘fall away’ although it could still do better than the Lib Dems.
Anyway, it will have achieved it’s main aim by then.

Perhaps at first it was a protest vote but not anymore, support for Nigel Farage and The Brexit Party is soaring, over 100,000 registered supporters paying £25 each since the Party started just over 4 weeks ago. After the EU elections they are putting forward a candidate for the Peterborough by-election.

Voting for the Brexit Party for MEP’s is simply a protest vote,from those who wish to send a clear message to Parliament to get on with it, sort out the squabbles and honour the referendum result.

LadyGracie exactly! Succinctly put.??????????

I’ve read your posts Nonnie you appear to disagree with a lot of other posters opinions. I haven’t missed your point I just totally disagree with you, as you do with me! End of.

LadyG if you still haven't got the point (by reading my posts!) then perhaps I have made it in suggesting why you didn't get it? As it was my post I think I am the one who knows whether you have missed the point or not. You are not really in a position to judge are you? Did you see my response to Day6?

mycat that is exactly my point! If remain had done that the result might have been very different. It looks to me like they have learnt nothing!

As for experts like in any other sphere you can't take them as a whole you have to use your intelligence to determine which to believe and which to doubt. The first thing to look at is who is funding them. It really isn't very hard. I can't believe people just lump them all in together . If a doctor said something you didn't agree with you wouldn't assume all the rest were wrong. If you had a bad haircut you wouldn't blame all hairdressers

Looking at the polls and thinking about it, Farage will not achieve more than 34% of the vote. That represents 34% people voting to leave.

So 66% aren’t voting for him ergo not voting leave.

We may just as well ignore him really.

I would like to publicise something very positive which came about only because of our EU membership, namely the preservation of the ancient woodland of Shooters Hill; this was my first insight into the advantages of EU mambership:

"Oxleas Wood and Woodlands Farm were threatened by plans to construct a link road to a proposed east London river crossing but these were abandoned in 1993, following a long-running conservation battle that ended with victory in the European Court."

No I don't think I have missed the point, anyone who has a different point of view on Gransnet is rubbished. It's why I generally keep my thoughts to myself and read those like minded souls being ridiculed, some gn's can be quite offensive.