The Brexit Party

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Wrong language.
Italian, not French which you clearly don’t —speak—realise
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“The crack team of U.K. negotiators ....are taking a chance to chill out and celebrate their success ...before they demand the right to negotiate.

Tice, Farage, Widdicombe Fox And Rees-Mogg along with 24 other MEPs demand the right to be heard and take part in the negotiations

“Monsieur Barnier” they will say “ we demand that we will leave on the 31 October on WTO terms!!”

“Ah” says Barnier ever the gentleman “If that is what you want, be out guest”

“But you don’t understand, We are here to negotiate a no deal Brexit. So we INSIST on taking part in the negotiations!!!”

Barnier then very gently explains something that none of them have not quite grasped

“The point of a no deal, is, that it doesn’t require a negotiation”

The crack team get very annoyed because their little bit of fame seems to be slipping away from them before they’ve even started.

“We don’t care, We are a crack team of negotiators. We insist on negotiating not having a negotiation”

My post was thanks to John Crace, with bits added!?

All this ‘Remain won the European elections’ is deluded nonsense. All the elections did was show that there is still an almost even split in the country.

Bar charts shared on social media which exclude Conservative votes from the Leave are pure propaganda and do not mean Remain won.

Do you think anyone except the most ardent of Remainers are falling for this narrative ? Another referendum with Farage in full flow, be careful what you wish for.

Yes agree urmstongran I think people are just as divided and far more entrenched.

As I have said I voted remain but voted Brexit on Thursday because my fear is Brexit should he delivered to honour the ref result.

It just seems right to me that both manifesto promises should be upheld and not thwarted because belief in democracy and politicians is so very important to stop people abandoning democracy and going far left/far right.

We have to come together eventually and I think the safest and quickest way for that to happen is to honour the ref

Not fear!! Belief

The word 'honour' does not sit easily with a result obtained by illegality and cheating.

Oh move on please!!!!! Just move on!!!!! Lies on all sides it’s sooooo boring move on get over it I have just move on

Move on to what though?

mycat and Urmston. Yes I've seen those bar charts deciding Con & Lab belong to one or the other groups and I disagree because we cannot assume that all their votes wanted one or the other.

I think that 'deluded nonsense' is intended to be inflammatory and could describe both sides in some respects. Imo it is a very simple piece of arithmetic to add up all the votes of parties which campaigned only on Brexit and clearly on Remain. Including parties which were not clear doesn't help. As MSM claimed for weeks that this was another referendum we know that the outcome was in favour of staying in the EU. However, as I have previously said, although Remain did better this time that Leave last time, it is too close for comfort.

"Do you think anyone except the most ardent of Remainers are falling for this narrative ? " is rather ironic when many of us think that many leave voters fell for the misinformation and downright lies in 2016. It seems they are, MSM is producing those statistics about which you complain.

"We have to come together eventually and I think the safest and quickest way for that to happen is to honour the ref" How would that work? That would be even more divisive. The only way to make the electorate 'come together' is to show them what the best deal available is and offer them the chance to find out whether said deal is better than what we already have and let them decide which they want.

"it’s sooooo boring move on get over it I have just move on" may I suggest that if you are bored you find something constructive to do?

Perhaps ‘Plough through’ would be more apt

It's difficult to see why anyone would keep posting on a subject they find boring. There are plenty of other threads.

Mycat & Urmston - for how long has NF been campaigning against the EU? Answer - a lot longer than the 3 years since the referendum. So, I don't think us Remainers will be giving up any time soon - for all the reasons that have been spelled out on GN on many, many occasions.

varian I think we know why they do it, don't we? Shame they don't have anything to contribute to rational debate other than their boredom. Especially

Yes I've seen those bar charts deciding Con & Lab belong to one or the other groups and I disagree because we cannot assume that all their votes wanted one or the other.

Both varian and I have posted, on different threads, a link to the Lord Ashcroft poll of 10.000 people which gives percentages of Leave and Remain voters who voted for Labour and the tories. It works out at roughly 2 thirds of Labour votes were from Remainers and 1 third from Leavers. The tory figures were the other way round. So, not complete 'assumptions'....

Here's the link again:

lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/05/my-euro-election-post-vote-poll-most-tory-switchers-say-they-will-stay-with-their-new-party/#more-15953

Never mind the totting up of supposed ‘similar votes’.

Farage’s party is now the largest in the EU Parliament - I would say that is quite a victory in 6 short weeks!
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Oh come on Urmstongran, he just picked up the UKIP vote plus a little bit more. A rose by any other name....

Well he has definitely talked the talk, time will tell if he walks the walk!

Just to say more people signed the Revoke Article 50 petition than voted Brexit!

You can take the man out of UKIP
But you can’t take UKIP out of the man

Exactly WhitewaveMK2

I thought the "The Brexit Party" had an equal number to another party in the EU Parliament and really if you are planning to leave, why does it matter?

Is it part of the biggest group? I thought that mattered most.

Urmstongran Although the "The Brexit Party" overtook UKIP's 2014 vote, it was mainly achieved by a cannibalisation of UKIP votes. It wasn't anywhere near as dramatic as the right-wing press has enjoyed making it out to be. It wasn't very much of a "swing to Farage" in the end.

I think we should also be careful about reading all these votes as votes for a "no deal" Brexit. Give a leaver a simplistic answer and it seems many of them will go for it. Whether they actually want all that goes with "no deal" is another thing altogether. The "The Brexit Party" didn't have any detail in their manifesto, well they didn't have any manifesto at all did they? This means that anyone who supported any sort of Brexit could have voted for them.

It seems to me that the "Tories who cannot wait to grasp the crown" would be mad to assume they have to go for a no deal Brexit. They have already lost members - that is probably the best way to lose even more and push up their average age up even further.

Leavers love to say we've insulted them by asking if they knew what they were voting fore in 2016. The fact is hardly anyone had any idea of the many complex issues which we can now understand if we chose to pay attention.

I doubt whether even 1% of Leave voters gave a thought to the question of the Irish border, let alone the huge complexities of international trade. Yet they parrot "we new exactly what we voted for - we voted to leave the EU", which is about as meaningless as "brexit means brexit"

How many of these people have the first idea of the damage that could be done by a "no-deal brexit"? That scenario was never even hinted at three years ago as the liars of the Leave campaign promised we would leave with a great deal and negotiation would be quick and easy because we held all the cards.

It is time for those who were so deceived to wake up, to start paying attention to the truth, to see how the reality is so different from the unicorn promises, and stop parroting these lies.

No, I was never insulted and in the past, on some of the threads I explained why I voted Leave. Not a problem.

But to be asked ad nauseum is irritating! Not going there again. I’ve moved on.

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