The Brexit Party

Yes, I get it Nonnie the more I think about it. The population is divided so some politicians fudge. Won’t make a choice in the hope of appealing to everyone and bringing them all along.

Well that’s been proven not to be a vote winner. Well done Lib Dem’s for ‘getting it’. They have been Remain since the last GE (although they only polled 7% of the votes then, even promising a second referendum in their manifesto - why didn’t more Remain voters go with them - it might have been the right horse to back).

I think Farage is the catalyst. His pro Brexit & definitive stance has nudged others to ‘come clean’ too.

This will be interesting.

Brexit - one way or another - needs a decision. The EU will not renegotiate and I don’t blame them. They’ve good a good deal (or treaty). No deal it is then. I agree with Esther McVey actually.

No deal.

Then let’s see the talks begin..... and they will. Money (business) talks!

But everyone said that the EU would capitulate at the last moment and it didn't happen did it [it's just that the last moment keeps being pushed further and further down the track]. And there still isn't a solution to Ireland. I didn't realise there were going to be more talks? At the moment there isn't even a PM to talk to; May being PM in name only. I can see this country being in a state of national emergency and some sort of 'war cabinet' being formed. Why are leavers not afraid of all this?

Urmstongran, you said it yourself that populism is caused by frustrated people not being treated fairly.

"Mr Farage is the personification in the UK of a phenomenon being witnessed right across Europe. It is described as populism but is more a reflection of frustration and anger with the way things have been done up to now and a demand that they should be done differently."

The talks went nowhere because ‘no deal’ (or just the threat of it as a negotiating tactic) got taken away!! Duh.

Who on earth would think (a) the EU would want to give us a good deal - why should they - they don’t want to encourage other countries (maybe Italy) to follow suit and think it was going to be easy and (b) TM capitulated then kicked the can down the road because she & Olly Robbins thought their duplicity would win the day.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. (Or Esther McVey for me).

Different tactics = different result.

We will be out on 31 October. This time opinions have hardened.

Either that, or Revoke (we had the best deal there).

We shall see!

The Brexit Party say they will make a contract with the British people – and honour it.
And Farage is an honourable man.

True Alexa but your way of describing it was more condescending.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

Sure! Farage is an opportunist .

Esther McVey would deliver it.
She is honourable. She stood down as a Minister (with all the perks) because of her principles.

The men in grey suits won’t vote for her though ....

Maybe she’ll join the Brexit party!

Ah but Urmston Brexit is not a political party so has no influence in parliament.

I can't agree about Brexit being a major issue in the last GE because it wasn't for me. Had I known I was going to be labelled as a Brexit supporter I would have voted differently. Imo this is a 'politiicans fudge'. It was different in the EU elections, most of us knew we were voting to stay or leave.

"Who on earth would think (a) the EU would want to give us a good deal - why should they - they don’t want to encourage other countries (maybe Italy) to follow suit" I have said that from the beginning. If we were part of the 27 and another country wanted to leave we would do exactly the same as they are doing to us. I simply don't understand why anyone still thinks they will roll over and give us a good deal. They know that if we are daft enough to leave with no deal they will have us over a barrel. We are already the laughing stock of the world and will have no bargaining power to do 'good' deals with any country.

Alexa yes he is an opportunist, just like those who con people into putting their savings into dodgy businesses which fail. They hold out tempting (but unachievable) interest rates and fools believe them. There is no quick buck to be made, no such thing as a free lunch etc and no quick fix of all the country's ills but leaving the EU.

The Brexit party is a puff of wind, it has no membership, no MPs, just a snake oil salesman who can talk to people and tell them what they want to hear. They have no policies, no manifesto. The Brexit party is not and will not address the very understandable grievances that have caused millions of people to vote for firstly UKIP and then Brexit party. Nigel Farage will not open factories in areas of high unemployment, he will not negotiate trade deals to encourage small businesses to expand, he will not set rent controls, invest in the NHS, in schools, he will stir it up, leave people even more let down by the political system and then walk off into his well pensioned sunset.

Whenever I think of Farage, I think of the fairytale "The Emperor's New Clothes.

Cometh the hour, cometh something rather unpleasant and devious.

Me too, Scottie [how I wish I could be beamed up somewhere else these days !] x

Exactly what I’ve said Nonnie - why should we expect a good deal? We’re the ones who voted out. I don’t blame the other 27 for playing hardball. It’s what I expected from the off. Pity that ‘bloody difficult woman’ wasn’t quite minded to have the same attitude. She (wrongly) thought that by ‘playing nice’ it would end up very pleasant and cordial.

As for the BP not being a political party. Well they are registered as such and are in the process of recruiting 650 members to stand in the next GE - should we not Leave on 31 October. They will be getting their ducks in a row ...
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In your opinion Elvive just not everyone’s!

Ducks in a row can be shot down. Sitting ducks?

Agreed Beammeup. All Farage has done is state the 'bleeding obvious'. Some people have been treated very badly by the system, with poor education, poor housing, lack of employment opportunities etc etc. Farage will do NOTHING to sort this out for people, he will not make lives better for people living in Gt Yarmouth with the appalling education and employment, with minimum wage, minimum hours jobs, all he is doing is dripping poison in their ears telling them it is the fault of the Polish/Lithuanians/Romanians (delete as applicable), who have 'taken their jobs'. Insidious, poisonous, and destructive. If people think this is a good policy to vote for, I despair.

And you know this Gill57 because ....

The BP will be ready to fight a general election, if needs be. Just watch and wait.

And if you’re anti NF just hope the Tory party deliver Brexit then on 31 October!

Honestly, some people just haven’t seen it - they’re life experiences haven’t encompassed the Poles (for one group) undercutting jobs in Manchester. Yes what they did (at the beginning) was illegal. Gangmasters turning up on site with a van load of workers at site premises - Central Manchester Hospital an example - rebuilding underway by Balfour Beatty. The vans got turned away - union site etc - so they used to drive around to smaller construction sites, see the foreman and all pile out.

No stamp, no insurance, no pension provision, or holiday pay to worry about. The smaller operators took them on. No questions asked = cheap labour = less job opportunity for our locals. Black market economy was thriving.

Well no more. There’s more accountability. Less benefits such as child allowance when the Poles who were legally working, sent their money ‘homes plus child benefit for their children living with mum in Poland. How daft were we as a government at the time to allow such practice?

Soft lot.
No wonder they came in droves.
And now the land of milk and honey isn’t so generous and attractive, they’re not staying.

Small wonder.
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OH for heavens sake Urmstongran! The Brexit Party will not be able to gather up 650 candidates even if the worst happens and we have a GE, no chance. I am strongly anti Farage, I think he is a deeply dangerous, nasty individual who manages to smoothly convince people otherwise, as we have seen on GN. I do not hope the Tory party deliver Brexit on 31st October, I hope that whoever takes over, sees sense, and cancels Article 50. Do you honestly, in the deepest part of you, think that Nige will build a hospital, build a factory, fill the potholes, get your grandchild a place in a decent school? Really?

Some people should be afraid, very afraid, for showing their racist prejudices in voting leave.

A lot of people dislike Farage. The story about the Poles could perhaps ,be balanced out by the ones who came here and worked so very hard in jobs some Brits didn't fancy.

Many deny racism as the reason for voting for the Brexit party, and I am prepared to believe them, but just why else are they voting for them? I assume that GG54 ( and others) has a life so perfect and abundant that she does not need potholes filled or factories built or even employment opportunities, she keeps telling us so, but what about the people we keep seeing interviewed voxpop? People with very limited life opportunities who think that Farage will somehow be their saviour. It makes me angry, he is the acceptable face of some very dangerous people who will make life even more difficult for many, people and will not care a whit as they do so. Thankfully, many of the 17.4 m did not vote for him so we can be assured that he will be an also ran in any GE.

Yes Elvive I know that, and there have been many interviews with employers stating that they cannot get local hires to stay the course, but that is a different story and as we all know, Farage never lets the truth get in the way of a good rally.