Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

You're getting off the point. Women here have the right to choose. Most of us here want the women in America to have the same choice. Full stop.

Gonegirl

This baby could not survive because he had half a brain and no doctor could save it.

So called late abortions are a tiny percentage and obviously the decision is taken by the mother with advice from her medical team. Do you know any woman who would abort at 27 plus weeks just for social reasons? of course not.

Free easy access safe abortions on demand are an essential health care must for women and I hope to god this awful law is reversed.

As has been said most terminations (92%) are carried out at under 13 weeks gestation. If we prevent the rare very late terminations ie 0.1% 24 weeks or over, we would cruelly be denying women who are very ill, or whose babies have severe abnormalities, the right to terminate. In my experience of late termination no woman takes this decision lightly and without very good reason. This is not getting off the point because I believe there is a strong lobby in England and Wales to reduce the time allowed for termination of pregnancy.

mycat the actual figure is less than 0.1% after 24 weeks. Myths and lies put about by anti- choicers make it sound as though it’s an epidemic.

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SirChenjin I didn't say that either. Because I don't support the ruling doesn't mean I think all abortions are ok. And I'm too tired to post any more today. Energy limited.

Maryeliza thankyou yes just shows the ridiculous obsession with this tiny percentage all of which are of course tragic for the women concerned but clearly much needed intervention.

Do we know what women’s groups in the USA are planning to do?

foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/16/what-actually-happens-when-a-country-bans-abortion-romania-alabama/

The reality

free, easy? access to safe abortions with no restrictions '
I can't believe than anyone deems that permissible or moral, especially those last three words.

I do

I cannot, in my darkest imagination begin to comprehend how it must feel to be carrying a child you KNOW will not survive . A child who will face the monumental struggle of being born to die.

So , I support late stage abortions for women in that situation 100% .

NanaandGrampy

It’s akin to torture I imagine

Notanan2

Me too

NanaandGrampy I can't either but I sadly personally know some people who did face that very thing.

One chose to carry the baby to term, or as close to term as it would survive, chosing to love it and grow it for as long as they could. It was still born having died in the womb before delivery. That was the right choice for them. I 100% support that.

Another couple chose to be induced, so they could hold the child while it was still alive, even though it only survived briefly. She could not bear to walk around wondering if the baby inside her had died yet. She was induced, gave birth, and her baby died in its parents arms. That was the right choice for them. I 100% support that.

They knew that induction would bring forward the childs death.

^inducing labour like that in those circumstances is a form of "late abortion". IMO the second couple's choice was as valid as the first. Oh and they deliberately concieved again soon after, which was NOT evidence of either regreting the abortion or evidence that they used it as "contraception" despite how some on this thread would interpret stats like that. The subsequent child was concieved with genetic councelling.

I agree Nana. Forcing a woman to continue carrying a fetus to 40 weeks when it is known that it won’t survive is simply barbaric.

I knew someone who chose to terminate at a relatively late stage when it was discovered that her baby’s face hadn’t developed and it had no way of breathing. Imagine compounding her distress by forcing her to remain pregnant for a further 4-5 months. Nope - not in my name.

Still waiting for the anti-choicers on her (including all the "abortions with a "but.." " people) to answer me why they are not campaigning for compulsary vasectomies?

Since that would PREVENT abortions rather than drive them underground. Is that not what you want? Hmm?

The people hand wringing about "abortion as contraception" people also havent quantified what they mean.

Do you mean that you think people are having abortions recreationally ? I dont get it

Abortion IS contraception to me. What else would it be? If I had found myself pregnant when I didnt want to be I would have stopped being pregnant. The world is over populated enough with enough dysfunctional families to add to that unless you really want the child

"Oh but you could give the blessing of adoption..."
"Blessing" hmm... America actually has a DISPROPORTIONATE % of failed adoptions! So much so that some countries that allow overseas adoptions have considered banning adoptions to the US because of their huge failure rate, and their treatment of adoptees when adoptions do break down. In some cases they are literally dumped, there are cases of them being put on aeroplanes ad unacompanied minors to the countries of their birth where they know no one and dont know the language. Analysis of this has suggested that the idea popular in America that adoption is a "blessing" rather than a source of early trauma causes problems when the children actually arent as "grateful" to be an adoptee as the adoptive parents think they should be.

Adoptions fail in the UK too but at a lower rate because at least in the UK it is appreciated that adoption is not the ideal start in life!

The US has shown that their adoption services hold the adoptees heritage in very low regard too which adds to the trauma for some adoptees.

Adoptions can work out too but they are not a "blessing" or a "gift" they are frought with pitfalls, which countries like America have a worse overall track record of negotiating than some others. America has a DARK history of glossing over adoptions and ignoring the impact on the adoptee and the birth mother

So....

Who is "hand wringing"?

Abortion can be seen as an act of maternal love , if the said mother knows that a child’s life is likely to be horrendous.

Yes, indeed.

The same way that you are not actually a billionaire- just a potential one- well, the same way a foetus is not a person- just a potential one.

Potentials are nice, we all have a duty to achieve our potential. But, one should never confuse potential for reality.

Very different things.

I feel heartbroken for the women in Alabama now who want an abortion. Backstreet practices will flourish. Poor scared women and girls.

What sickens me is that about 50% of the voters are women.

notanan, thanks for your comments about the failure rate of adoptions in the US. I wonder how many of those failures are because the American parents go abroad and bring babies/ children back who have experienced significant neglect/abuse/been living in institutions and are from totally different cultures, don't speak the language -the list could be much longer than this. Some of those parents will probably have been turned down by home adoption agencies, as happens in other countries.
We expect such a lot from adoptive parents. Parenting is not a walk in the park, much as we love our children. Adoption brings its own challenges as well as its positives.
It irritates me that a small number of posters equate an unwanted pregnancy with a happy adoptive outcome. Haven't those posters read the stories of young women forced to give up their babies, the impact on those young mothers.

A birth mother will be changed forever both physically and mentally by carrying a child to term. We are not passive incubators.

So many heartbreaking posts

Just keep in mind the very worst thing about this Alabama evil is that it’s nothing to do with concern for unborn children. Nothing! I could accept and do accept anyone’s right to be anti abortion for them totally acceptable.

This is all about men controlling women.

My 20 year old twin dds have just shared the twitter posts of people posting remarks from actual governors in these states regarding rape/abortion and sex.

Honestly I felt weepy but my girls were angry!! This is what we need anger!!! White hot rage to rep our rights.

I can’t post the comments they are too dreadful but feel free to google

Utterly unbelievable

and Missouri has now changed its Abortion laws too !

There is a whole historical mess of abuse via adoption in the US that attitudes to adoptees are hard to unravel. Its not just overseas but also domestic, with a history of women in poverty being told they are selfish unless they give up their baby for a "better life" (which it often isnt) to rich people. Babies were BOUGHT and told to be grateful for it.

Keeping a baby in America without access to healthcare or if you are yourself undocumented etc isnt the option it may be elsewhere in the world.

You can even hire wombs from poor women in the US whereas here surrogacy is structly expenses only

There is very little regard for birth mothers, particularly poor ones, whether they want to abort, keep the baby or have it adopted.

THIS.IS.ABOUT.PUNISHING.WOMEN and keeping them in their place not about giving a damn about the unborn