Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

By "desperate" I mean dragging out every possible circustance under the sun, no matter how unusual.

Sorry Gonsgirl but I have no intention of lifelong abstinence. So I might get pregnant (v unlikely agewise but has been known to ocassionally happen). And if I did I would have an abortion & it would not affect the existance of my foetus any differently to any "special circumstances" foetus. It would cease to exist just the same!

The manufacturers are hardly going to claim 100% effectiveness, but used properly many modern methods are. If used properly.

How late in the pregnancy are you talking notanan?

Yes I know what you meant Gone - and those circumstances are the real life actual reality, as irritating as that must be for you.

social reasons is deciding late on you don’t want the baby

Mmmmmm it’s a good enough reason for the mum it’s a good enough reason.

And again late terminations for flimsy reasons are almost non existent.

And I use the term flimsy reasons because it’s probably what anti choice forced birthers say.

no body has to get pregnant

Utterly ridiculous statement

No Gone they really really aren’t 100%. It’s so important that people are educated on this.

Considering the tests from the chemist work practically from day 1, I assume you would have the abortion in the first couple of weeks. That's fine.

I disagree Sirch

Disagree with what Gone? The facts?

"The manufacturers are hardly going to claim 100% effectiveness, but used properly many modern methods are. If used properly."

100% effective -- including virgin births, too?

I’m with Maryeliza54, on this. It is a woman’s choice to decide what she does with her body. Banning abortion will be regressing to pre-1970’s, backstreet terminations.

You are saying that a good quality Durex condom used with anti-sperm gel can be ineffective. No it can't.

90% are up to 13 weeks and only 0.1% after 24 weeks. The anomaly scan is at 20 weeks when most foetal abnormalities are discovered.

If used properly

Like never brewing a tummy bug that hasnt shown its symptoms yet when having sex on the pill

Like the coil implanting and getting pregnant with the coil still in the womb as well. Thats the woman's fault for not "using it properly" is it?

Like the surgeon not tying tubes properly. Silly wimmin not "using it properly" and making excuses again huh?

Like condoms splitting despite only using water based lube. Can assure you, this happens!

Like knowing that the morning after pill gets less effective the later you take it but its a bank holiday....

The tests from the chemist assume that 1. You have access to the chemist and 2. The means to buy one.

An abortion within 2 weeks of taking that test on day 1 of a missed period? Gone with all due respect, do you know how menstrual cycles and accessing abortions actually work?

And I should probably add condoms to that list. If you genuinely believe that condoms with spermicide are 100% effective you should read this and educate yourself www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/male-condoms/

You'd better stick to the method I advocated in my post 15:49:51 notanan.

You are saying that a good quality Durex condom used with anti-sperm gel can be ineffective. No it can't.

For a start, Durex are crap! I would rather have no sex than nasty Durex sex! I am fussy and only like the more expensive brands. If you think that Durex are the gold standard you dont know much about condoms...

Every split condom incident Ive had were nasty cheap Durex. I banned them at home!

I don't know how accessing abortions work. But from what I have said I believe it is possible to have a very early abortion without the need to leave it until the fetus is more formed. And even viable.

notanan it's a long time since I participated in sex using a condom!

Blimey! How many "split condom incidents" have you have?!!!

Gonegirl thats not how abortions work.

You cant access an abortion unless you have a confirmed viable pregnancy for a start! Jesus wept!

Plus if you dont have 500+ to hand you gotta go the NHS route, which has wait lists just like everything else.

But good god HOW can you think you can have an abortion without being viably pregnant???

It is possible but certainly not an option that is available for all girls and women who want them, and certainly not within 2 weeks of the first day of a missed period.

I’m quite astounded by some of what I’ve read on here and only highlights the fact that if women old enough to be on Gransnet don’t know the basics then how on Earth can we expect young girls and women with less life experience to know about contraception, their own bodies, body autonomy and how to access safe abortion.