Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

Thank you for sharing your experience Mycatsahacker and it so clearly illustrates how difficult I find it to be dogmatic and judgemental about so called "late abortions" when I do not, cannot know, the personal situations of the few women who may take this decision.

Gonegirl I have asked several times why people like you arent in favour of PREVENTING abortions, rather than driving them underground?

Why not compulsary vasectomies?

If you TRUELY were in favour of preventing abortions, as opposed to making women who do have them suffer. ... wouldnt that be what you would campaign for?

I must have been lucky. 5 children in 18 years, all healthy full term babies and neither of us used contraception or any rhythm method.

You can ask as many times as you like notanan2. I still cba to answer.

So you can put yer boxing gloves away.

I conclude that the overwhelming consensus (on here at any rate) is for women to have free abortions at any time, without having to explain their reasons.
It's their right.

Gosh Gonegirl your posts don’t sound like you to be honest.

I know you are passionate about climate change? How can this be helped by thousands more unwanted humans

You can ask as many times as you like notanan2. I still cba to answer. smile

Why? How is it getting "boxing gloves" out to ask anti abortionists why they dont instead support the most obvious and far more effective way of preventing abortiond in the first place?

What is so contentous about that question?

Ladies , as the female sex we have enough battles to fight already, why the need to beat each other up re Abortion?
Abortion affects the body emotions & life of women I trust that each woman who has decided upon this action has done so in the knowledge of what the alternatives will be for herself & her situation. It is not for others to judge wither this is morally right or wrong.
In some cases the lives of people who were unwanted babies can be very miserable indeed, To the extent that they wish they had not been born!

Such wonderful wise women on gransnet. Even though I may not agree with certain posts, it’s really good to read different opinions.

Lazigirl thankyou xx

Bridgeit

Oh my goodness what a lovely post and so so true

GabriellaG54

Exactly

Thanks, SirC!

Becket, to my knowledge, the governor could have vetoed it, but she didn't. I think this was all planned a while ago, so they can create a Supreme Court case or something like that. I might be wrong though.

"News media on line is reporting that Distract Attorneys in Atlanta have said they will refuse to prosecute women accused of having abortions."

"How on earth can a law enforcement officer refuse to enforce the law?"

Hmmm... I don't think the law is actually enforceable right now, ladies, b/c of the Supreme Court decision in the 1970s (Roe V. Wade). If it's an unconstitutional law, then it's easy for the DA to ignore it, surely? Nice of him to decide he will, but fairly easy, I imagine. Again, I might be wrong.

"Social reasons would be deciding late on that you don't want the baby after all. "

Thanks for clarifying, Gonegirl. But what if the woman decides "late" that she doesn't want this baby b/c it's her rapist's baby or b/c she realizes she can't really take care of a baby for whatever reasons. Is that "social?" I suppose so if it's mean in the sense of "non-medical." IMO, it would make more sense to say "personal reasons" or "non-medical reasons," but I get what you're saying.

"Excluding the rapes, under age sex by silly kids etc etc which will now be dragged out by the desperate."

But those situations exist, Gonegirl. That's why I don't understand why Alabama and Missouri couldn't have, at the very least, made an exception for rape cases.

"Considering the tests from the chemist work practically from day 1, I assume you would have the abortion in the first couple of weeks. That's fine."

I don't mean to be picking on your posts, Gone. And I understand what you're saying. But I don't think you're getting what a painful decision this can be. Not every woman can just look at a pregnancy test and decide yay or nay.

ou know what I always think ‘there but for the Grace of God’

"You never know what’s around the corner for you or those you love"

Agreed, Mycat. And so sorry about what you went through in the past. Hugs!

Sorry for what you went through, too, paddyann! Hugs to you also!

People, I know someone who got pregnant while on the pill! Fortunately, she's married and has a good income, etc. But she wasn't ready for a second child at the time. She decided to have the second baby, anyhow, and is glad she did. But my point is that even the pill isn't always 100% effective. It's made by human beings and taken by human beings, after all, so there are bound to be glitches.

Are you lot still at it?

There is no test on earth that confirms pregnancy on day 1

Day 1 of a pregnancy is counted as the start of the last menstrual period.

I cannot believe this has to be explained to adults!

Pregnancy tests work from around week 4, which is usually approx 2 weeks after conception.

You cannot have sex and then instantly confirm that a pregnancy will result from that sex.

Fertilisation can occur DAYS after sex, and still there will be no detectable hormone change at that point.

These things (instant pregnancy tests & pre viability/pre heartbeat abortions) dont exist.

Where are people getting this nonsense from?

A night out with friends. Many several drinks later and you're offered a lift home and end up at his place having consensual sex but not bothering with contraception as you're too eager to get it on and the drink dulls any sense of responsibility.
A few weeks later you realise that you might be pregnant but you wait another week just to be sure.
A clinic visit confirms your impending motherhood but you can't remember the guy"s name or where he lives.
Thinking of the ties of being a mother, no more fun nights out, responsibilities for years ahead...
The clinic was...clinical, business-like.
At home, you look down at what might have been and no longer is and then flush it away.
Ah well...
You promise yourself there won't be a next time.
Not a nice scenario but probably a very real one.
I wouldn't have had the wonderful life I've had nor my precious children or GC and GGC if my mum had got herself in that position.
Poor unwanted babies.
I'll be asking my GC what their thoughts are on the subject.

I wonder what percentage of women regret having aborted, for whatever reason.

OK here's one for all you anti-abortionists I suspect my mum aborted babies herself. She sometimes referred to "misses"meaning miscarriages, but there were things which since lead me to think she may have aborted pregnancies. Further evidence- there was a child before me who died in infancy and I was once told that she wouldn't have had me if that baby hadn't died because she had as many children as they could afford. So I almost finished up an abortion figure. What do I think about it? I think she was an incredibly brave woman who made her choices and stood by them. The pity is that she was forced to risk her own life because she had no access to legal abortion. And it shows that you can legislate all you like but women will choose what they do.

Can I just remind everyone that nobody, not even the most rabid pro-abortion amongst us, has any intention of making it compulsory. If abortion is anathema to you, fine, you'll never have one, but please allow other women for whom it is the right course to undergo the procedure in safety. We're in the 21st century, what type of person wishes to condemn women to the twisted wire, infection and even death of yesteryear?

Our next door neighbour, who had 5 children, confided in my Mum, her friend, that she was getting an illegal abortion. It was all very secretive and she didn't tell her husband either because she said he would be cross with her for getting pregnant again (like it was nothing to do with him!). Her youngest child was around 10 years old and she didn't want to start all over again., mainly because she needed to get a job because it was a struggle financially. Her daughter, who I am still in touch with, said she was permanently hungry as a child because it was "every man for himself" at mealtimes and there were no second helpings! My neighbour was a lovely woman and a lovely mother (not so much the dad) but she just had no more energy to start all over again at what was then considered to be a fairly advanced age. Luckily she was OK but she, and women like her, risked their health in going to a backstreet abortionist.

Of course, women who think abortion is wrong are quite at liberty to continue with their pregnancies, but they should not try and impose that course of action on other women.

Gabriella You seem to have a very poor opinion of women, and paint a picture which I believe is very unrepresentative of their views and behaviour.

Gabriella you know, sometimes women regret having children!

Yup. It happens. Not all pregnancies that end in live birth magically result in loved well cared for children!

Not all of us could make it work, y'know?
I would rather have 2 children that I can emotionally and financially support than 3/4 that are too much for me to manage

Carrying, birthing and raising wanted children is hard enough.

I want to repeat a point I made before but one that gets forgotten.
I want all children to be wanted.
If the mother doesn't want the baby then that's it, you cannot make a woman want to be a mother or want to have additional children if she has already given birth before, There are two choices left, abortion or adoption.
It has to be the mother decision BUT what the mother wants is going to affect that child. Yes it's obvious but all the people opposing abortions are saying that any life is better than no life and I don't agree.
Also are all the anti-abortion people going to donate their time and money into bringing up these babies who will be children and have more complex needs.
What kind of life does a child have if mum didn't want them?
Give women the right to choose, always.

Are you much older than most of us on here GABRIELLA? Your opinions appear to me to be of someone of a different generation .That would of course explain why you think the way you do .

paddyann I think Gabriella may be amongst the oldest here since she mentions GGC, when many of us have grandchildren not of parent age by a long chalk.

It takes a lot of money to give a severely disabled child a decent life. Without an independant source of wealth the state tells you that they are only allowed to piss X times a day because that is their adult nappy ration. They can only shit at x o'clock or tough: Wait 6 hours until the next double-up care slot to get them changed out of their soiled pad and clothes.

They get can live trapped in "single floor living". Housed in HMOs with stinking comodes that get changed once a day.

Or as young adults with complex care needs, shut away with OAPs in nursing homes if there is no provision for their needs to be met in ways that allow independant living.

If you are better off, you can help them to live a quality life. But if you are a poor parent of a severely disabled child you will be fighting for the very basics.

Maybe if your disabled child is also asthetically cute you might be successful with crowdfunding some life enhancing equipment to give them more than the basics.

Many marraiges break down when parents become carers. Leaving usually mothers in poverty unable to work because they are carers

With money you can suppliment care, buy and adapt property. Get an appropriate vehicle. It can be okay. It SHOULD be okay for all but it isnt.