Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

A lot of the time anti abortion campaigners trot out young adults with mild learning disabilities who have happy lives.

As if all babies any sort if disability can have the same prognosis

notanan2 I so wish gransnet had a "like" facility. I have a disabled grandson, autism, PDA, adhd, anxiety, OCD, hypermobility and more and every support and educational need has meant my lovely DIL fighting and arguing for the support he needs. Obviously his special needs were not known before his birth ( and I don't know whether my DIL would have considered abortion), and now we have him we cannot imagine life without him, but are all the anti-abortionists prepared to have their taxes doubled, and maybe their benefits cut, in order that those with disabilities are fully supported? Somehow I doubt it.

I'm 74 yrs and 3 months.

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janipat

I don't think age necessarily has anything to do w/ one's opinions on abortion. Some are for, some are against, except under certain circumstances.

Excellent post, janipat! Very moving and thought-provoking! My heart goes out to you, your DS (dear son) and DIL, and , of course, your GS (grandson).

Who said anything about trying to impose their views on the pro abortion lobby? Certainly not I.
I can clearly read that the majority on here are in favour of abortion on demand so, given that I am not in favour of abortion on those particular terms (outlined in an earlier post) I am in a minority therefore unlikely to be 'forcing' anything onto anyone, much less my views.
By the same token, there are at least 5 very ruffled if not angry responses from different posters, who cite instances to back their claims.
I'm not refuting their claims or rubbishing their views but they are certainly rubbishing me and mine.
My views are just as valid.
Read my previous posts before going on the warpath.

Its not like for life.

Those of us who are pro the availability of abortions are not supporting forced abortions on anyone.

Those who are against the availability of abortions are supporting forcing women to do what they would chose for themselves personally.

The difference is MASSIVE. Pro choicers are not forcing anyone to do what they would chose for themselves. Guess what, their are pro-choicers that wouldnt personally have an abortion, but support those who would chose differently.

But "prolifers" want to force others to live how they live themselves.

Which is why prolifers make others angry and upset! A pro-choicer isnt trying to tell you how to live your life so if their views dont get your shackles up, thats why!

FYI and before you start making suppositions about me, my ageist views, or anything else, I had my first child when I was 23 1/2. I married at 22.
4 of my children are married and 4 of my now 10 GC are married with children. All have careers.

I don't support either for or against abortion.
It isn't a conversation I've ever had with anyone at any time.
If I was to be asked the question, my answer(s) would be the ones I have given on here but they are not applicable in my life as neither I nor my family or wider family have had one nor do I personally know of anyone else who's had one. It could be true that friends may not have told me and why should they but, knowing them as I do, I think it's highly unlikely as they confide other personal stuff because they know it goes no further.
Why should people who hold different views be castigated by the pro lobby. I don't spout my views or rubbish your choices.
Every one makes their own mind up. What's the problem?
I keep my views to myself unless asked and then, obviously, I'm not going to lie just to appease the majority.

Frankly, I couldn't care less what other people get up to in their lives. They live it, not me and they don't give a hoot what I get up to.
It's called minding one's own business.

I would bet every single penny I have that you do know several women who have had abortions.

Why should people who hold different views be castigated by the pro lobby. I don't spout my views or rubbish your choices.
Because the only "side" whose views are inflicted on others are the anti-abortion supporters.

Pro choice doesnt aim to make anyone pro life have abortions

Pro lifers want to force others to stay pregnant when they dont want to be.

These are not "just opinions"

Its not a hypothetical debate. These are womens lives

I think those posters who refer to others as being "pro-abortion" either do not understand what they are talking about or are being deliberately provocative. Few, if any, people are pro-abortion but many are pro-choice – and the two are completely different. Does anyone – least of all those of us who are mothers and grandmothers – want abortions to take place? In ideal world every conception would result in the birth of a healthy much-desired baby. Clearly, this is not always the case and, for some women, the option of abortion is the better of two difficult choices. Taking away choice is not for others to decide, but being pro-choice is not the same as being pro-abortion.

What I know to be true:

Unwanted pregnancy isn't strictly a thing that occurs when intoxicated couples engage in unprotected sex-

Countless women have become pregnant while using birth control, some while doubling up with two methods-

Vasectomy isn't 100% effective and neither is tubal ligation-

Circumstances vary -- greatly-

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The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

All have careers ...



My favorite color is green-

Gabriella54, Are you alright,? I do worry about you
Your posts seem so defensive & angry.
Today the sun is is shining , I hope it is wherever you are, maybe you will be able to chill out.

notanan2 and janipat

Excellent posts

absent

Yes the term pro abortion is utterly ridiculous isn’t it.

My girls now 20 and my dips know if they ever had an unwanted pregnancy I would support any choices they made.

I certainly wouldn’t sugar coat parenting as said upthread it’s bloody hard raising wanted babies.

Dips!!! Dils!

I suppose I dont mind being called "pro-abortion". I am not hoping to need one but I am glad the option is there.

After one of my births, a very complicated birth, I became quite phobic of becoming pregnant which in turn made me unable to enjoy sex for a while as I was so terrified our contraception would fail and the very idea of another birth terrified both DH & I for some time. I would get birth flash backs whenever we tried to be intimate. We did have professional help for the I suppose it was PTSD resulting from the complicated birth. It resolved in the end. Neither of us wanted to never enjoy sex again

Knowing that if our contaceptive failed there was the option of abortion helped to rationalise the fear of getting pregnant despite doubling up on contraception, and we were able to work through our sex issues.

So I guess I am pro abortion in that I am glad that safety net is there. I dont hope for it to be needed. But am veru pro the existance of the option.

notanan2

You know I think post birth trauma is nowhere near discussed or taken seriously.

In my opinion there should be counselling available to women after giving birth. My dil sufferedPND and I think if she had the opportunity to talk things through she might have found things easier.

Great point to raise.

Did anyone hear on the news that Trump has said that he’s pro life but supports abortion as a result of incest or rape, or if the mother’s life is at risk. So obviously no surprise that he’s anti choice - but interesting that he’s not quite as hard line as the horrors in Alabama are.

Yes I did read he tweeted that but he’s as likely to change his mind as not isn’t he?

And anyway, Roe v Wade is more liberal than his position