Horrified by Alabama Abortion law

Less than 2% of abortions are done for rape or abuse.

That's justifying abuse via statistic-

If the number were higher the value of the children subjected to forced pregnancy wouldn't increase-
Their value would still remain zero-

Here's a real number: 11 year old female

"An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion — they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child."

70% of rape victims who become pregnant choose to keep the baby.

Abortion is not going to erase the rape. It will not bring about justice. It is punishing the child for the sins of the father.

Actually, abortion is a great thing for rapists. It enables them to get rid of the evidence so that they can continue to rape.

You should also know that some of your previous statements could potentially be considered defamatory. They have been reported.

agnurseSo the 26 year old man would've thought "oh hang on, I won't rape this 11 year old child because she won't be able to get an abortion. Phew, that's put a stop to that"
I don't think so!

This law has been driven through mainly by men a nd mainly by people from a so called "evangelical" background. It is not about children or women, just as rape is not about sex, it is about power and in this case (yet again) a sense of entitlement to have power over women's body just as if she were livestock. There are views embedded in American culture that I did not believe existed in European culture in the same way but it appears some of these sickening views about race, sex and inequality are raising there ugly head once again. If we do not fight for autonomy over our own bodies we will soon find that parties -including the Brexit Party - start telling us our lives should revolve round "children, kitchen and church". I am quite sure many of these "evangelicals" would already be saying "what's wrong with that".

The body of an unborn child is not the mother's body.

Moreover, the right to bodily autonomy is not unlimited. There are weirdos whose greatest desire is to be killed and eaten and weirdos whose greatest desire is to oblige them. (Not theoretical. Google the Armin Meiwes case.) Should we legalize consensual murder and cannibalism? Doesn't the fact that this is illegal constrain the bodily autonomy of these people?

Here's another headline from 2018:

Woman admits to letting boyfriend assault 10-year-old daughter, resulting in pregnancy-

Now, a mother can also take part in forcing her daughter to have a baby -- at 10/11 or years old-

There is no justification for punishing a pregnant child further by forcing them to give birth-

Actually, abortion doesn't enable rapists- Laws that protect rapist do -- as do individuals who support such laws-

GracesGranMk3absolutely! It's terrifying. We are going backwards on a global scale. It's perhaps more obvious and in-your-face in the States but these attitudes are creeping around the globe. We already had the shame of knowing all the countries where women are denied human rights but now we also have to acknowledge that in countries where we did have these hard won rights they are actually being removed. The rhetoric swirling around is frightening.
As you rightly point out ,this is about power. Pure and simple. Women are to be what...? Vessels? Chattels?
An 11 year old CHILD should be forced to bear a child herself after being brutalized because the fetus has more rights than she does?
Of course nobody WANTS an abortion. I'm sure the lady who can't afford a 4th child doesn't want an abortion. Or the lady with mental health issues. Or the lady whose partner dunped her and has no support. It's very sad to find yourself in a situation where you can't continue your pregnancy, I'm sure. In fact it must be awful for a lot of women.
But where are all these men who created these babies? Are they going to raise them? Are they going to take care of the mother?
No. The woman bears the responsibility. The woman's life is indelibly changed. She didn't cause that pregnancy on her own, did she? But boy, she may as well have done because she's the one who'll pay.
Gilead here we come.

Frighteningly I feel that the women of NA are entering a dystopian world where their rights are being taken away. I find this very disturbing.

IMO a woman/child who has been raped or a victim of incest should be allowed to have an abortion.

agnurse please explain what measures you would take with the Males who cause unwanted pregnancies. I would like to know who you picture raising the baby born to a woman/girl who can't raise it? How do you propose to make the father equally accountable? What laws do you suggest?

One thing is for sure, this will guarantee millions more votes for Democrats. The women of America will never let this be allowed for themselves or their daughters.
agnurse I feel sorry for you fooled as you are by these fundamentalist views.

Excellent post Grandmain.

Jane the Governor of Alabama is a woman. I’ve seen the baying mob with their antichoice posters on TV in Alabama and Georgia and at least half were women. There are plenty of women who support Trump sadly.

There are about estimated 36 couples waiting to adopt every 1 baby placed for adoption.

agnurse so the 11 year old goes through pregnancy and childbirth after what's already happened to her because if she's an incubator for a "nice couple " she has some worth? And then this happily adopted child traces her when it turns 18 and learns the truth of its conception and later adoption. Happy ending!

To understand the source of the law is to understand that the majority of states that support such laws supported slavery-

Therefore, it only stands to reason why they see nothing wrong in treating pregnant females as not equal- They only see the fetus -- like they only saw profit from tobacco and cotton-

It doesn't matter to them how bloody and torn a small child's body becomes, all that matters to them is harvesting the baby-

agnurse also, another question, after you've considered the role of the father in the unwanted baby's life: what would you do if your weeping granddaughter revealed her unplanned pregnancy to you? Do your views also apply to a child you know and love?
Perhaps you advocate a return to the Magdalene laundries for someone in her situation?

Problem here is, human rights groups campaign and campaign for the rights of a particular group, ( usually any group that doesn’t contain white heterosexual men ) then when that group demands its own rights - for example, Muslims demanding same sex relationships are not spoken about in their primary schools because it’s against their beliefs - feminists/ human rights groups don’t really know what to do.
If we’re going to be an all inclusive society, respecting religious differences, then we have to accept that many religions are anti abortion, anti gay, etc.
And Muslims, plus other parents, are getting their way with regards to same sex relationships being spoken about in schools. So right wing / religious beliefs are starting to undermine all the hard fought battles previously won in this country, let alone Alabama.
What to do?
Well we can’t do anything can we.

I wasn't going to reply to you nurse, as yours is in no way a logical argument. but I will.

You call the person with such desires a "weirdo"; not a word I would use but it does seem to suggest that such people lack the mental capacity to act in their own interest and that such a test would see them receiving some sort of psychiatric care. Are you, therefore, suggesting that all women lack mental capacity in some way and that therefore the decision not to sustain a foetus that we know cannot sustain itself has to be taken away from them?

The evangelicals are religious fanatics/zealots and are trying to mix law and religion just like the taliban. As another poster said we must stay viligant and when we see even the smallest of murmur of new laws that are religiously motivated, push back.
Also I think we should all just ignore Agnurse.
Let her preach her ghastly views in her little room, in whatever ignorant part of the world she is and ignore her out of gransnet, trolls need attention. Let’s start ignoring her. She’s on nearly every thread spoiling gransnet debates and conversations.
And also I recommend watching the handmaids tale if you haven’t already seen it!

But the chilling truth is that this issue is actually not about ‘saving’ foetuses - it’s about controlling women. It really matters which end of the telescope you look down. Far right policies are never ‘women friendly’, never. Being anti choice is being anti woman not being pro- foetus, the latter is the ‘cover’.

Well GracesGranMk3 it seems clear that a female who "gets herself pregnant "(and that's a phrase that needs unpicking!) is already morally delinquent and mentally unstable so therefore unable to judge anyone's best interests. Thank goodness we have those on the moral high ground to take those pesky decisions out of her hands.

I agree Dilly. I’ll try and resist.

I think it’s the epitome of child abuse to force a child to give birth after a rape.

and I sincerely hope you are not a nurse.

What can we as women do to help our sisters in NI?