Remainer opinion of leavers

Any connexion between religion and politics can be dangerous and should be questioned. Ask anyone in Northern Ireland.

Bigotry not, obviously.

Any connexion between religion and politics can be dangerous and should be questioned. Ask anyone in Northern Ireland.

Varian, I will offer you a couple of places. Comments are not always allowed. Mostly they are sites which provide articles and other reading . Much of it is Brexit/Leave related ….. although be aware that the sites also deal a lot more with another rather hot issue ( I have an interest in the other issue as I am an academic whose main area is associated with that area).

Both sites are essentially manned by Christian believers ( I am sorry if that offends). Something not often reported is that it is now considered that the leave vote was essentially swung not by the 16% of youngsters with children ( as per another article cited here) but by Christian laity ( mainly Anglican) aged between 40 and 54.
This demograph particularly are voters ( not talkers), democrats and believe in some clear principles - you may not share their principles but respect them.

So, the sites - Anglican Mainstream and Archbishop Cranmer.

If you like pod casts and similar you might also try Anglican Unscripted. Brexit sometimes comes up as a side issue there.

People are generally respectful in these places and do aim to hold a discussion. Please, if you are just spoiling for a fight, don't go there.

This need for echo-chamber re-inforcement of the leavers' shaky position suggests a lack of coherent, logical reasons to keep believing in unicorns.

Actually its not a need for echo chambers, it was just to get away from the insults - like your unicorn comment there.

I read enough to know what is being said elsewhere. I just like to keep my blood pressure in check so I avoid remainers now. In fact I avoid the whole topic generally.

I know what I think. You can censor my spoken or written words but you cannot censor my thoughts. The more you shut down my speech, the more I will think.

Think on that and ask yourself if actually your approach might be wrong? I listen to remainers quite a lot. I say nothing. But I still have my own thoughts.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/11/13-steps-turn-leave-voters-against-brexit

Sorry but I think you may well find now that the boat has sailed on many of those ideas. As someone who voted leave I wouldn't be convinced anymore by any of those arguments. However, I might be very angry at the "weaponizing" and the "do not tell them you are remain" I see that as lies, more lies and damn lies. I have had a belly full of that in the last three years as well as a belly full of insults for five years.

Neither do any of the ideas address why I voted to leave the EU. Those who want to remain just do not want to listen. That's the problem.

Its gone past this now. Too many arguments from authority have been wheeled out and too often

abbey you said "However, I do know where to find the intelligent leave commenters and posters unlike some it seems from comments made." Please tell me where. I have been asking on here for ages and also on Twitter and the only answers have been soundbites or things which are so very, very easy to see are not good reasons. One example was something like 'Eastern Europeans are undercutting the family business'. I could not see how that would change by leaving the EU. I would really appreciate it if you would break the silence. Thanks

"I do know where to find the intelligent leave commenters and posters unlike some it seems from comments made. I tend these days to stay with those sites and say nothing elsewhere."

This need for echo-chamber re-inforcement of the leavers' shaky position suggests a lack of coherent, logical reasons to keep believing in unicorns.

As for the assertion that "GN is largely socialist based , very right on progressive in its posts.", you would have to be very far to the right to say that. Genghis Khan would be proud of you and Vladimir Putin might well offer you a job as a bot.

i have talked to and really tried to understand leavers

Interesting, as I have talked to and really tried to understand remainers.

I rarely come to places like GN . I am here today because I got an e mail on something I thought interesting ( not this stuff). GN is largely socialist based , very right on progressive in its posts. I am sometimes surprised as many of the posters must be older ( certainly older than me) and I would have expected them to be more balanced..... but this is social media.

I do not have facebook or twitter or Instagram or any manner of other social media at all.

However, I do know where to find the intelligent leave commenters and posters unlike some it seems from comments made. I tend these days to stay with those sites and say nothing elsewhere. I had my share of being personally insulted and badly treated just for daring to have voted leave. I have not changed my mind. The more remain voters push their agendas of hate and insult , the more I am tending to entrench. No doubt remainers are doing the same. That's what happens when you create the kind of stereotypes seen here.

Oh and by the way - along with Farage and Trump I also like JRM. I am not saying any of them are perfect - and you know, I don't care! No one is perfect.

What is the most effective anti-Brexit communication strategy? What obvious mistakes should an anti-Brexit campaign avoid? What does it need to get right?

This is how we would answer.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2017/11/13-steps-turn-leave-voters-against-brexit

I’m with you here WW, blimey, what a can of worms I’ve opened up again over Brexit. But thanks to the posters who educated me a bit about Twitter. As I’m not on it, I suppose I must have formed my opinions from what I’ve heard through the media, and it always seemed to be that some unsavoury character had tweeted rape or death threats to someone well known. Or Trump twittering on about something or other.
At least it appears that some Gransnetters, and therefore one assumes other people are getting something positive out of the other threads. None the less I think I’ll give it a miss. I think Brexit is a toxic enough subject just on Gransnet, I don’t want to join any threads in the more toxic Twitter.
However, whilst I’m all for free speech normally, I really feel that people who threaten rape, murder, or violence of any kind should be barred from Twitter, and investigated by the police, and then charged (if a crime has been committed.) They should not be able to get away with such vile behaviour. But in the case of Matt Kelly, re the original post, clearly what he wrote was disgusting and unpleasant, and most certainly ageist, but not as far as I know, in any way against the law, so to conclude, he is allowed to be so unpleasant. It doesn’t say much for his character though, does it?

Blimey

@POGS

You have quoted:

MaizieD Fri 19-Jan-18 09:14:54
Remoaners on here...

I have held off for a long time but I think from now on Leavers are Brexshitters

Does that answer and provide clear evidence as you requested?

Oh dear, POGS. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Is that all you can come up with?

I think you should have quoted more of my post, and perhaps the post I was responding to; just to give it some context.

Can you come up with any other posts in which I have used that term? I think not because it is not a term I have ever used except in that particular context. But you've nursed it lovingly for over a year. How sad.

Joseph Harker asks "I’m a remainer. So why do I feel more and more sympathy for leave voters?"

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2019/jan/12/brexit-remainer-leave-voters-labour-northern-people

Good luck with that cinderdad I have repeatedly asked for such answers and only one person has given them. At least she was honest that hers were all about her and her family's individual circumstances and not about the greater good. Mostly I have been ignored but more recently they have outright refused to give me reasons to change my mind. I think we should reflect upon why that is

i have talked to and really tried to understand leavers

seriously you have to me my older sister? No one else I know is that patronising and funny

pogs sorry to confuse you. I won’t explain, as it might confuse you even more.

WW

' More fuel to my fire'?

What context does your post re ' Information for leavers relating to the vast amount you pay each year to the EU.' have to do with anything I have posted on this thread?

Very confusing.

There you are POGS more fuel for your fire????

Information for leavers relating to the vast amount you pay each year to the EU.

t.co/CNSBB7CHTP

Maizied

MaizieD Sun 19-May-19 13:04:18
POGS

' If you're going to make assertions about things that have been posted on Gnet perhaps you should give us some examples. Unevidenced assertions are part of the reason the UK is in this toxic mess.'
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MaizieD Sun 19-May-19 18:01:34

' As for 'inappropriate language;, despite what POGS asserts, but declines to give evidence of, I haven't noticed the use of the sort of 'robust' language that characterises, say, a mumsnet discussion. '
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MaizieD my post you are challenging said this :

' Is it much different to some posts using for example the term ' Brexshitters ' and links to twitter et all some GN posters over the years have posted?

To see ourselves as others see us.'
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I ' do not make assertions ' and I stand by what I said and as indeed you have requested evidence, followed by a post implying my post was false I am happy to provide a post that reflects the sort of comment regurgitated since the EU Refendum in 2016 on Gransnet. I think one of ' your ' posts will be a good place to start :-

MaizieD Fri 19-Jan-18 09:14:54
Remoaners on here...

I have held off for a long time but I think from now on Leavers are Brexshitters
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Does that answer and provide clear evidence as you requested?

If evidence is required to posters putting links up to twitter there are plenty indeed you too have posted links to twitter.

It could be termed as ' In the eye of the beholder ' but a small number of GN posters provide Links to evident activist sites, twitter, dubious sites/blogs that are well known for their propaganda/style of usually no substance just bile and finding amusement in making personal jokes, comments at the expense of others. Not my cup of tea but each to their own.

On GN we must remember ' We say it/post it, we own it'.

I have talked to and really tried to understand leavers. A small number of them may benefit from leaving the EU.

What do promoters of Leave hope to gain by Leave and at what cost to the country as a whole. When and if the UK leaves the EU Northern Ireland will likely join the Republic. Scotland and even Wales may leave the UK, other regions could demand independence from Westminster. That probably would not happen, we are so brassed off with our political leaders that anything may happen.

Michael Heseltine has made his point of view clear, other pro Remain Tories may also vote LibDem but not admit it. Brexit will destroy the Tory party or force it to split. Labour elected the wrong Milleband, Labour as is has lost the confidence of the majority of the people.

Hope that sense prevails and the pro-Europeans show well on the 23rd May. Then the healing may start.

So Glammy, you approve of ageism, pretty much the only group that it’s okay to be abusive about!

Oh haha Glammy......an ageist post from an older person, makes sense (not!)

Oops, overuse of the word “as”!

As far as I am concerned, Brexit is about the future of our country. As Gransnetters, we have to be aware that our future is quite limited. No wonder Remainers are accused of being ageist. People of my generation who voted to leave the E.U are being extremely selfish. I voted to remain in the hope that my daughter and granddaughter will have a better future. As for the “pissing on the floor comment”, as the older generation, we are more likely to be incontinent. Fortunately, I haven’t reached that stage yet!! ?