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Mycatisahacker Sun 19-May-19 15:40:07

So I see Anne Widecome was cheered by former miners in the north at a working mans club.

Yes seriously it’s true grin

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 17:55:05

And so what if ken loach shoots his films in Ireland? They will still end up in British cinemas for British people to see.

The EU doesn’t give us our cultural identity! What a strange premise.

trisher Mon 20-May-19 18:02:30

They don't charge at the moment because they receive subsidies. Travelling exhibitions tend to have a charge. There is evidence that charging a fee tends to reduce visitor numbers.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 18:15:10

If you are the sort who want to see an art exhibition trust me you are the sort who can afford to pay.

They shouldn’t receive subsidies they are not a special case.,

trisher Mon 20-May-19 18:38:47

Mch If it' s OK for workers in the film industry to lose their jobs to other EU countries is it OK if jobs in other sectors go as well?

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 18:42:57

tricher

Look I have many working class friends builders, plumbers,carpenters who literally could not get work because EU workers would do the job for less. Even Corbyn acknowledged this.

If loache sticks to his principals he would take less profit and film in Britain.

If you want me to weep because middle class people have to pay to see an art exhibition or access a museum tough.

trisher Mon 20-May-19 18:59:44

It isn't anything to do with profit, it is to do with funding. In order to make a film you need to have funding Ieland will still have EU funding. The film could be made in Ireland but not in UK. Profit only ensues when the film sells.
I want working everyone to have access to exhibitions not just the middle class who can pay.
Free access to museum has advantages, it enables all people to be able to visit the museum without getting charged. This might attract a new and bigger audience to experience the museum. In his article, Kirchberg (1998) found that income is the dominating characteristic influencing the subjective significance of entrance fees as a barrier to visiting museums. People in lower social classes experience admission charges as a barrier almost five times as much as higher sociological classed people. Increasing entrance fees increases revenues but according to Kirchberg, not only decreases the number of visitors but also change the socio-economic composition of the attendance.

Dinahmo Mon 20-May-19 20:14:03

Mycatisahacker - I don't think anybody was called thick until after Brexit. There was no reason to name call before teh referendum.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 22:21:08

Dinamho

Sorry not really getting your post! Is there ever a time for adults to name call grin

lemongrove Mon 20-May-19 22:26:48

Dinahmo calling those ( over 17 million) voters ‘thick’ is only done by the thick themselves, or the arrogant.

GabriellaG54 Mon 20-May-19 22:47:31

Where do you think the funding for museums and art galleries comes from.
Museums need curators, guides, cleaners and security among many other staff who catalogue every item, restore and clean anything damaged and 3rd parties who deal with marketing.
They need money to borrow artefacts from other countries and transport costs too.
Over 60s get concessions and families spend good money on Sky, Netflix, cinema tickets with buckets of popcorn, football games, junk food, tickets for gigs and most of those people are 'working class'.
The poorest in society are not necessarily those who would think of taking their children to a museum even if it was free.

Mycatisahacker Mon 20-May-19 23:31:59

Well I know this may be s strange concept and call me thick or radical or old fashioned but, and I will whisper this amazing strange and shocking idea!

Maybe,and wait for it maybe, instead of sending billions to the EU to have them
Send it back to fund our countries arts and museums we could actually keep the cash and fund it ourselves.

Now have a lie down and a stiff drink.

Lemongrove cheers grin

petra Tue 21-May-19 07:21:08

That's a bit radical Mycat but with a bit of thought I think it could work wink

MaizieD Tue 21-May-19 09:55:12

Let's try this again:

There is absolutely no reason why we cannot fund free admission to museums and galleries. The reason that they are underfunded is political/ideological, not economic. Ever since Thatcher was in power the tories have sought to 'shrink the state' and privatise public services. This is ideology, not economics.

As for economics, the idea that national finances run on the same lines as household budgets is entirely false. The nation does not have an 'income' limited by the amount of money they can recoup in tax, nor is it limited by anything else. It used to be limited by the amount of gold it held but 'the gold standard' was abolished in the early 1970s and since then the government has been free to issue as much money as it pleases. Taxation has an important role to play but its prime function is to prevent inflation caused by too much money circulating in the economy. A secondary function is to prevent inequalities caused by wealthy people acquiring yet more wealth, monpolising the money in the economy and not returning money to the economy through spending (and ultimately, taxation). But while ever resources are in plentiful supply and available for purchase there can be very little inflation.

(And please don't say Venezuela or Zimbabwe because their economic problems, while caused by an oversupply of money, have a very different basis. They are not mature democracies with a very long established central banking system. They are also rife with corruption, far in excess of any that might exist in the UK. Japan is a much better example of a stable country running a big deficit at no detriment to their economy)

It is the government, through the Bank of England, or through banks licensed to issue money, which issues money. That is why the government can spend vast amounts on quantitative easing and on projects like preparing for Brexit. Vast amounts which are not funded by tax revenue.

As far as public spending is concerned, tories don't like it because it ostensibly deprives private enterprise of profits. However, when you look at it logically there is no reason why it should do so because all public services' resources are supplied by private enterprise. Medicines, equipment, food, uniforms, railway engines, etc. etc. We have no public companies supplying resources. The only thing that private enterprise is denied is the opportunity to make a profit by supplying the actual service.

There is a strange feeling in existence that money spent by the government on public services disappears into a big black hole and is never seen again. This is absurd. The wages of public servants are spent in the economy on things supplied by private enterprise and, as I've already pointed out, the actual services themselves purchase everything they need from private enterprises. Most of the money the government issues eventually comes back to it by way of taxation. The only money that doesn't is that which is saved in this country or that which is sent off to tax havens to avoid being liable for UK taxation. The so called 'deficit' is really people's savings or money squirrelled off abroad.

If anyone is interested I suggest they read this explanation by Richard Murphy: www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2019/05/10/pretty-much-all-that-most-people-need-to-know-about-modern-monetary-theory/

It really is time that people started thinking clearly about how a country is financed (clue, it isn't from taxation) instead of just chanting the 'we can't afford it' mantra straight from the Maggie Thatcher songbook..

Mycatisahacker Tue 21-May-19 09:59:36

Petra

I know a country funding their own arts and museums!

Who knew!