LGBT protest at school

When the parents, and the rest of their community, are so strongly against it, there is no point in encouraging conflict.

Teach the children to be kind and thoughful towards each other in general. Don't focus on this one subject.

To late "Mycat". We need to stop the sort of bigotry that is causing the backlash from being in one more generation. If I was going round saying children must be taught Muslims are lesser beings or not taught anything at all so that they don't hear a different view go from the one they hear at home, there would be bell to pay. This is no different.

Yes. Definitely teach respect for others at an early age.

No one is saying that GracesGran, Just quietly leave it out of their curriculum, at this age. We don't need any more islamaphobia. Or hatred of the rest of us by the islamic community.

Gonegirl it is you and these parents who are focusing on this one area. The children will also be learning how to "include" their school fellows with special needs, with English as a second language, who live with their grandparents, anything which one child may see as different in the other and why not discriminating makes it a good world for us all.

But is it alright for the Islamic community to teach condemnation of the gay community?

I do wonder what you think is being taught Gonegirl and if you would recognise your own prejudices.

I thought we were talking about a particular range of books.

Ypu would expect a school to teach about the range of things you mention GG. That is not in question here.

I have no prejudices here. so don't start that

I think that question should be "is it alright for anyone to teach condemnation of the gay community", Surely?

No Eglantine I think it is very unfortunate. But we have no right to try to influence their adult beliefs. So long as they do no harm to anyone else.

Of course it's not right. Are these muslim parents spouting their views to all and sundry? Or just objecting to this matter being taken out of their hands?

If there is conflict going on outside that school, then I believe it is the way the school has dealt with this. As I have already said in this thread.

From my earlier link:

I’ve read the 35 recommended books and correlated each one, where possible, with the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act. This was done on the basis of the content of each book. 17 books could be said to have a link to one of the 9 protected characteristics of the Equality Act.

They are listed here with the number of books that relate to them following in brackets.

Age (1) Disability (3) Gender Reassignment (4) Race (3) Religion or Belief (0) Sex (1) Sexual Orientation (5) Marriage and Civil Partnerships (0) Pregnancy and Maternity (0)

9 books can be grouped into just two of the protected characteristics, Gender Reassignment and Sexual Orientation, which possibly is what Moffat is referring to when he says that some books specifically support the LGBT strand. Parents have a point when they say the programme is weighted towards LGBT issues. To understand this, it’s important to look at the teaching plans that accompany each book. It’s here that children are guided towards an adult, gender identity reading of the text.

A programme that claims to be teaching the equality act that can't even list the correct nine protected characteristics and treat all characteristics the same is disingenuous in my opinion. We are dealing with queer theory here that claims biology, sexuality and childhood are social constructs and that males are lesbians, women and mothers along with claims that no protected characteristic should be an outsider, and look at the end result!

But but you do have to take the parents with you or we have more division more withdrawals of children into faith schools and less integration and more prejudice and division.

If these books were simply teaching children to be kind to everyone of all faiths and none, good to disabled people and inclusive to all their friends. No nasty names etc would these parents be objecting?

If I was a Muslim Mum who had a daughter happy in herself - who after a lesson from Moffat - starting saying they were a boy wearing boys clothes and I knew it could lead to my child being referred by Moffat behind my back to the Tavi for medication, then if I didn't support this my child taking this medication it could lead to her being taken into state care, then I wouldn't be a relaxed happy parent either.

Not all the parents at the school are against the No Outsiders programme by any means. There is intimidation going on and the campaign is being orchestrated by fundamentalists. The children at this school deserve to be introduced to the values underpinning our equality laws if that is lacking in their homes. The school has engaged with the parents but there is no engaging with fundamentalists. From next year all the issues will be taught in all schools anyway.

Does stop setting up totally ridiculous scenarios.

here are the booka in question They sound very good and it would be great if the parents at this school could go along with their use. But do we really want teachers teaching children things that is in direct conflict with the faith they are being brought up in?

Love the last line of the review there. ""It has worked incredibly well at Parkfield School because the whole staff team is supporting and promoting the ethos, which gives it authenticity. The books and lesson plans have enabled our teachers and children to talk confidently about equalities and this, building on the relational trust and dialogue we have with our parents, has made the strategy a success." ― Andrew Moffat, Author" Yeah right. Very successful.

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So why are female protected characteristics from the equality act along with religion and freedom of belief not in the No Outsiders programme, why are they in particular not as equal as other protected characteristics?

Well, yes, it will be taught from next school year on. So no point in discussing it really. But it's not helping "race" realations really is it?

I hope most of the actual parents do want the books used.

Yes I do want children to be introduced to values and concepts that conflict with the faith in their home - that gay people are not evil, that men and women are equal for starters would do very nicely thank you.

It is tricky though Maryeliza because if you alienate the parents they just set up illegal (lots in brum according to ofsted) faith schools that are very closed and have no influences at all from any other faiths or none.

If it’s about the children and it should br you have to take the parents with you.

The bloke who said ‘women are there for men’s pleasure’ needs investigating! God knows what his poor wife endures!