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The unofficial 2nd EU referundum taking place today 23rd May 2019

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Firecracker123 Thu 23-May-19 13:08:45

Remainers keep asking for a Confirmatory vote well in my opinion this is it. All voters have one Vote use it today to vote Leave or Remain at your polling station.

Official results on Sunday night but feel free to do a GN vote here as well if so inclined.

Alexa Mon 27-May-19 10:01:16

If you voted for the Brexit Party, please tell why you did so, if you can.

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 10:15:40

Lemon please show me the 'dozen times'.

petra you are missing the point. It is exactly the same to suggest one poster is not telling the truth as to tell another the same whatever the circumstances. Both are facts, it is not a competition.

Gabby hmm, you seem to spend a lot more time than some of us on here, were you talking about yourself?

Here is a copy and pasted PM from one of the people who has been taunting me. They continued after sending this on Friday. Says it all!

"Hi Nonnie I hope I have not upset you I was really only joining. Brexit is clearly divisive but I probably went too far.

I hope we can robustly disagree and agree but stay civil.

Again I apologise"

maddyone Mon 27-May-19 10:29:04

Alexa, is it not perfectly obvious why people voted for the Brexit party? I would have thought we can all work that one out.

Why are you not asking why people voted for the Green Party, or the LibDems, or in fact why anyone voted for any party. Why are you singling out one particular party and basically asking Gransnetters who voted Brexit party to justify their vote?

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 11:12:12

Alexa don't expect an answer, I've been asking for ages but they either ignore me or say they won't tell me sad. Have you noticed it seems to be a lot of emotive comments but when you ask for proof or justification it never comes.

One has even apologised to me in a PM and then been two faced on here and attacked me again. So sad and does bring into question the intellectual ability of certain people.

Beckett Mon 27-May-19 11:16:13

Sorry Nonnie are you asking people to justify why they voted the way they did?

I don't tell anyone how I voted - something my grandfather drummed into me - it is between me and the ballot box. If others want to share that is entirely up to them

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 11:29:03

No Beckett I was responding to Alexa.

Urmstongran Mon 27-May-19 12:22:42

I see you’re winding everyone up on this thread too Nonnie❗️

Labaik Mon 27-May-19 12:24:35

Not winding me up. Perhaps 'some people' would be a more appropriate description #just saying

Beckett Mon 27-May-19 12:37:38

Nonnie you replied to Alexa that you have been asking (why someone voted for Brexit Party) and then went on to ask for proof and justification.

Joelsnan Mon 27-May-19 12:39:57

Nonnie
Please explain in detail why you chose to vote Remain, this so that all of leavers can quiz you in depth on your decisions. I am sure you can oblige with convincing proven evidence and truly on the button statistics that prove your case beyond doubt.
Look forward to your enlghtening respinse.

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 12:42:03

Beckett I'm sorry but you did not read my post correctly. Well if you did you have misconstrued it. Please read it again.

So when I say the truth Urmston you say I am 'winding people up' but give yourself permission to say anything you like. Did you get promoted to 'Thread Monitor'? Oh no, just one rule for you .............................. [sigh]

Labaik Mon 27-May-19 12:45:44

I think some of us just can't understand why people vote for politicians like Farage, Widdecombe etc when their views on most things are so diabolical We are genuinely curious. What I see happening around me makes no sense and it saddens me.

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 12:52:30

Well said Labaik Intelligent people try to understand those with different views but if they can't establish what those views are they are left with no choice but to assume the views are not good.

maddyone Mon 27-May-19 12:55:51

I don’t think the question is being asked in a genuinely curious way. Anyway, it seems perfectly obvious to me that people who voted for the Brexit party want to leave the EU. No other explanation is required, in fact even that explanation isn’t required because the answer is in the name.
Justification for voting for any party isn’t required, it is between the voter and the ballot box.

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 13:00:15

maddy I don't think anyone has asked for 'Justification for voting for any party'. I have been genuinely asking for a long time if anyone could tell me good reasons why I should vote for a leave party rather than a remain one. I voted for a leave party because no one has answered that question. I have admitted to things I have got wrong and would be happy to admit I was wrong to vote remain if anyone would try to convince me. I don't understand the point of coming onto threads about Brexit if you are not prepared to debate the pros and cons. Just seems a bit pointless to me. I think many of us who voted to remain in the EU are happy to explain why.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 27-May-19 13:11:00

Firecracker what you say is simply not true. Does that upset me? Not really, as my expectations are not that high where some posters are concerned. However, you do remind me of Lord Nelson.

sarahellenwhitney Mon 27-May-19 13:19:29

Grandad1943
Trust you are raising your glass to todays results grin

sarahellenwhitney Mon 27-May-19 13:26:55

Maddyone
Good one.
Doesn't need rocket science does it ?

Kapitan Mon 27-May-19 13:27:11

The majority win by the Brexit Party is a clear message to Westminster that this country wants a World Trade Organization Brexit.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 27-May-19 13:48:58

What is a WTO Brexit?

lemongrove Mon 27-May-19 13:57:06

maddyone spot on??

Nonnie you say in your last post that you voted for a leave party.

Note that nobody gets grilled/quizzed over their decision to vote Lib Dem etc.?
All this ‘genuine question’ stuff asked of leavers wouldn't fool a child of three.

Nonnie Mon 27-May-19 14:07:17

Oops thanks Lemon must have had my mind on something else. Always happy to admit when I make a mistake, may I point out yours? You cannot determine whether a question is genuine or not unless it is your question. Your response is wrong. It is a genuine question I have been asking for a very long time. If you think it is not then that says so much about the way your mind works and nothing about the way mine does. Even a child of 3 would understand about asking questions and wanting an answer, they do it all the time and get frustrated if they are told "I'm not telling you". I would of course be happy to answer if anyone asked me why I chose to vote for a Remain party. Off now will check again when I return.

lemongrove Mon 27-May-19 14:16:28

I wouldn't dream of quizzing you on the way you voted Nonnie nor would I ask why as I would think you had read on the subject, listened and made your own mind up.
There is a ton of information out there.
It isn’t only you that asks that constant question btw as many Remain posters have being doing the same incessantly for the last three years.
‘Why have you voted that awful way when I haven’t’ is the main refrain.
There were many answers given....at first, but the grilling went on and on ad nauseam.

Joelsnan Mon 27-May-19 14:17:20

Why is there fear about WTO rules?
Leaving the EU would enable UK to form more advantageous alliances what about the Commonwealth of trading partners? That would be a force to reckon with. The diversity of trading options both in and outside the bloc could be mutually beneficial. WTO would be a short term measure, not for life.

varian Mon 27-May-19 14:22:13

Not according to Lucy Harris, just elected as a Brexit "Party" MEP . She told an interviewer that the worst of the damage would be over in THIRTY YEARS!!! and added "but it would be worth it"