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The unofficial 2nd EU referundum taking place today 23rd May 2019

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Firecracker123 Thu 23-May-19 13:08:45

Remainers keep asking for a Confirmatory vote well in my opinion this is it. All voters have one Vote use it today to vote Leave or Remain at your polling station.

Official results on Sunday night but feel free to do a GN vote here as well if so inclined.

maddyone Thu 23-May-19 22:23:26

Primark

paddyann Thu 23-May-19 22:26:11

What a coincidence ...people who would most likely vote for a remain party cant vote ! Westminsters minions up to their dirty tricks AGAIN .

Labaik Thu 23-May-19 22:34:41

jura; still waiting for that reply...#couldbealongwait

Granny23 Thu 23-May-19 23:15:58

Re EU voters in the UK:

The SNP’s Joanna Cherry yesterday raised the issue at Prime Minister’s Questions

Over the last few days I’ve received distressed emails from a number of constituents who are EU citizens living in the UK but who won’t be able to vote tomorrow,” she said to Theresa May

Their predicament arises because of the Prime Minister’s government’s late decision to participate in the elections which didn’t give many EU citizens enough time to fill out the necessary form declaring that they won’t be voting elsewhere. She asked May if she would use “all the powers” of her office to ensure the form is made available at polling stations today The Prime Minister said that the Government takes every step to allow people to vote and went on to blame the House for the late participation in the election because they failed to ratify her Brexit deal .

Oldwoman70 Fri 24-May-19 08:06:29

There were two people taking exit polls at my polling station yesterday. The first stopped me and asked how I had voted - I explained that I never tell anyone how I vote. He smiled thanked me for my time and moved on to the next person.

A little further on I was stopped by another person (from a different party). I told him the same - his reaction was completely different, whilst I would not say aggressive it was certainly insistent. He said that as he wasn't asking for my name and address my vote would still be confidential and as I had already voted it would make no difference if I told him! I said it was none of his business and walked away.

Whilst I appreciate different parties like to take these exit polls this is the first time I have experienced such insistence

Buffybee Fri 24-May-19 08:23:34

Just realised this morning that yesterday was the first time in my life that I had not voted Conservative.
Mrs May has totally destroyed my belief in democracy.
I voted Brexit.....

varian Fri 24-May-19 08:51:23

Mr Putin will be pleased with all the brexit voters

maddyone Fri 24-May-19 09:28:30

Will Putin be pleased with Brexit voters, why?

Buffybee Fri 24-May-19 09:31:58

What a load of scaremongering rubbish......

varian Fri 24-May-19 09:45:01

Vladimir Putin backs Brexit and warns second referendum would 'undermine faith in Democracy'

Putin has long been accused of approving a campaign of propaganda to undermine faith in Western democracy

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/vladimir-putin-backs-brexit-warns-13759603

Buffybee Fri 24-May-19 09:53:50

Believe me, I don't need a campaign by Putin to undermine my faith in democracy at the moment.
And his warning re a second referendum would be correct.

varian Fri 24-May-19 09:56:48

"Isn’t a second referendum undemocratic? This is perhaps the most contentious question as it gets right down to the heat of the debate, but I’m afraid there is nothing undemocratic about a second referendum.

People are allowed to change their mind, just like people are allowed to vote for a different MP during general elections if they are unhappy with the performance of their current one.

When the first referendum was held in 2016, the options were rudimentary, and while Remain had an obvious definition, Leave had multiple definitions and promises attached. Would we adopt a Norway style agreement? Would we continue to be part of the Single Market? What happens to EU citizens? Will there be £350m a week more to go to the NHS? How easy will it be to sign a trade agreement with the EU afterwards?

In the two years since that vote, a lot of those questions have been answered, and not in the way which was promised. There will be no more money for the NHS, a Norway style deal is not on the cards without negotiation and compromises that the current Government seem unwilling to make, and so far we have only signed six trade agreements and one of them is with the Faroe Islands - our 114th largest trading partner.

The Brexit realities (and limitations) are clear, and Parliament is seemingly deadlocked over the way forwards, so now is the time for the people to indicate the direction they want to go. "

www.voicemag.uk/blog/5175/the-democratic-argument-behind-a-people-s-vote?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrJ7nBRD5ARIsAATMxss-EdalPJNSSq45pEd7-cW9i4uah_08poUAeOFmm6DlhnZW1Isc9KAaAupuEALw_wcB

Greta Fri 24-May-19 10:24:04

Maddyone:
Will Putin be pleased with Brexit voters, why?

Buffybee:
What a load of scaremongering rubbish......

I find comments like these unbelievably naive. What will it take for us to take the threat of Russia seriously? More than Salisbury, obviously. The Kremlin seeks to exploit and increase divisions within the EU. It is in Russia's interest to weaken us. We seem determined to help them.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 10:44:30

I quite like some of what I've read about Vladimir Putin and I like the Russia I saw on two visits years ago.p
It's the intrigue which intrigues me - an iron fist in a steel gauntlet, certainly not the velvet glove which Maggie would have worn.
I do like all the stuff that goes on under the radar, mostly in the USA and Russia.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 10:45:07

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Nonnie Fri 24-May-19 11:27:36

We voted at about 1 pm and were told it was much busier than usual, even busier than the busy local elections.

Interesting that no one has picked up on my post where I explained that the man handing us our papers tried to influence our vote.

On BBC website they showed a couple who had hand delivered their forms to the local council on 2 May and were denied a vote at the polling station. The CCTV proved they were right and it was found that the council hadn't opened them until 16 May which was too late.

The Electoral Commission in on the case of EU citizens denied a vote. I imagine there will be areas where the result is marginal and their votes would have made a difference.

Firecracker123 Fri 24-May-19 11:32:49

Sorry but I find this hard to believe re trying to influence your vote.

Smileless2012 Fri 24-May-19 11:38:42

Where as I agree that it's inappropriate for someone handing out ballot papers to see it as an opportunity to campaign, I don't understand why you regarded this as an attempt to influence your vote Nonnie.

Surely, all campaigning is an attempt to influence or was there more to it?

EllanVannin Fri 24-May-19 11:39:19

I wanted to visit Russia a few years back but because brother was attached to GCHQ at the time had advised me against going.

Firecracker123 Fri 24-May-19 11:40:35

Anyway Nonnie perhaps you should have listened you are always posting that Leavers won't tell you why we voted leave you might have had your questions answered ?

varian Fri 24-May-19 11:45:16

It is absolutely fundamental to democracy that all those involved in running an election are totally impartial. I thought that everyone understood this. Apparently not.

Nonnie Fri 24-May-19 11:47:13

Smile they are not allowed to attempt to influence voting!

Fire you really are too low. Do you really imagine I would engage with such a person in a polling station? Of course I wouldn't my morals would not allow me to encourage someone to break the law.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 11:49:06

Perhaps the 'remark' was along the lines of 'Don't forget to leave the pencil in the booth before leaving or 'on your way out'.
We haven't been told exactly what was said by the guy which allegedly led the poster to think he was trying to influence her vote.
Clarity would be a help.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 11:54:19

He might have gestured to one side and said 'There is a booth and, pointing to the doorway, said ' and that way is out'.
grin

Nonnie Fri 24-May-19 11:54:46

G54 that is simply insulting, you know I'm not stupid. He wanted us to vote Brexit, very clear and in front of witnesses. You should be ashamed of yourself but clearly are not. You won't accept the truth and it is hardly as if I am a new poster or one who has previously lied. I am not and haven't.