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Ten damning conclusions from the new UN poverty report

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GracesGranMK3 Fri 24-May-19 08:22:39

These are extracts The Common Space has made from the report. My thoughts are that surely anyone who voted for this wretched state of affairs could not vote for the government that caused it a second time - not if they have an ounce of humanity.

Dickensian Britain
"It might seem to some observers that the Department of Work and Pensions has been tasked with designing a digital and sanitised version of the nineteenth century workhouse, made infamous by Charles Dickens, rather than seeking to respond creatively and compassionately to the real needs of those facing widespread economic insecurity in an age of deep and rapid transformation brought about by automation, zero-hour contracts and rapidly growing inequality."

Employment is no escape from poverty
“Almost 60 per cent of those in poverty in the United Kingdom are in families where someone works, and a shocking 2.9 million people are in poverty in families where all adults work full-time. According to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission, 10 per cent of workers over 16 are in insecure employment. And 10 years after the 2008 financial crisis, employees’ median real earnings are, remarkably, still below pre-crisis levels.”

Eat or heat
“People said they had to choose either to eat or heat their homes. Children are showing up at school with empty stomachs, and schools are collecting food and sending it home because teachers know their students will otherwise go hungry. And 2.5 million people in the United Kingdom survive with incomes no more than 10 per cent above the poverty line –just one crisis away from falling into poverty.”

Homeless Britain
“In England, homelessness rose 60 per cent between 2011 and 2017 and rough sleeping rose 165 per cent from 2010 to 2018. The charity Shelter estimates that 320,000 people in Britain are now homeless, and recent research by Crisis suggests that 24,000 people are sleeping rough or on public transportation –more than twice government estimates. Almost 600 people died homeless in England and Wales in 2017 alone, a 24 per cent increase in the past five years.26There were 1.2 million people on the social housing waiting list in 2017, but less than 6,000 homes were built that year.”

The disappearing safety net
“The Special Rapporteur heard time and again about important public programmes being pared down, the loss of institutions that previously protected vulnerable people, social care services at a breaking point, and local government and devolved administrations stretched far too thin. Considering the significant resources available in the country and the sustained and widespread cuts to social support, which have resulted in significantly worse outcomes, the policies pursued since 2010 amount to retrogressive measures in clear violation of the country’s human rights obligations.”

Ideological, not economic
“The ideological rather than economic motivation for the cutbacks is demonstrated by the fact that the United Kingdom spends £78 billion per year to reduce or alleviate poverty, quite apart from the cost of benefits; £1 in every £5 spent on public services goes to repair what poverty has done to people’s lives.40Cuts to preventive services mean that needs go unmet and people in crisis are pushed toward services that cannot turn them away but cost far more, like emergency rooms and expensive temporary housing.”

Harm done by Universal Credit
“The Special Rapporteur heard countless stories of severe hardships suffered under UC. These reports are corroborated by an increasing body of research that suggests UC is being implemented in ways that negatively impact claimants’ mental health, finances and work prospects. Where UC has fully rolled out, food bank demand has increased, a link belatedly acknowledged by the Work and Pensions Secretary in February 2019.”

Sanctions regime
“One of the key features of UC involves the imposition of strict conditions enforced by draconian sanctions for even minor infringements. As the system grows older, some penalties will last years. The Special Rapporteur reviewed seemingly endless evidence illustrating the harsh and arbitrary nature of some sanctions, as well as the devastating effects of losing access to benefits for weeks or months at a time.”

Women and poverty
“Given the structural disadvantages faced by women, it is particularly disturbing that so many policy changes since 2010 have taken a greater toll on them. Changes to tax and benefit policies made since May 2010 will by 2021–2022 have reduced support for women far more than for men. Reductions in social care services translate to an increased burden on primary caregivers, who are disproportionately women. Under UC, single payments to an entire household, which are the default arrangement, can entrench problematic and often gendered interpersonal dynamics, including by giving control of payments to a financially or physically abusive partner.”

Scotland
“It is too soon to say whether these steps – and Scotland’s new powers of taxation – will make a difference for people in poverty. However, it is clear that there is still a real accountability gap which can and should be addressed. The Social Security (Scotland) Act of 2018 provides no redress for violations of the right to social security. But if the compelling recommendations made by the First Minister’s Advisory Group on Human Rights Leadership are adopted, and if the Scottish Government acts swiftly on its commitment to incorporate the principles of the Convention on the Rights of the Child into Scottish law, these steps will make a huge difference.”

www.commonspace.scot/articles/14270/sanitised-version-nineteenth-century-workhouse-10-damning-conclusions-new-un-poverty

GracesGranMK3 Fri 24-May-19 16:22:17

I'm not sure where you did your degree - or when - but the idea that every report is biased is a strange one, Gabriella.

As for each of us being "biased", I imagine we are unless we attempt to be aware of our own prejudices. Perspective certainly produces differences. For instance, from my perspective - and the writer of the report's, "poverty has increased". But from where you stand only one type of poverty has increased. I think we would all be glad that absolute poverty appears to be going down. But the sadness is that you seem to feel this offsets the fact that relative poverty has greatly increased.

If we were talking about, let's say, sales in a shop, I could understand the idea that you might be happy that although the sales of dresses had gone down we can see a positive in that the sales of tops had gone up. But we are talking about people, human beings, families and they are in poverty. The sort of poverty that can be statistically counted not just going without your latte so you can buy new shoes!

You also try the usual "let's be a clever Tory" idea that says if you can blame those who came before you, you are not to blame for your own actions. May did the same thing. She stood at PMQs chiming out statistics as if they actually meant something to the people concerned. They don't! Their lived experience doesn't depend on what Tony Blair or Gordon Brown did. It depends on a wicked system of punishment for your poverty.

So, a different perspective Gabriella. Most of us can see the poor and what poverty does to them. You can only see your own comfort and provide the comfort of the mind for yourself by this twisting of other people's reality so you don't have to feel any concern for others.

trisher Fri 24-May-19 16:41:55

Don't know where either Gonegirl or GG54 grew up so I can't comment on their individual circumstances. What I do know is that if you grew up in the UK between 1945 and 1977 you benefitted from a true welfare state. I don't propose to go into the policies and practices which underpinned this, but since 1977 they have been steadily eroded. Firstly by the Tories 20year rule, which was alleviated slightly by the Blair years but not completely and which have now been decimated by the present government. If you didn't benefit from those policies fair enough but if you did you should be fighting to ensure others do as well.
easybee when I cease to be moved by stories of poverty and want in a society where rich people own islands, yatchs and aeroplanes I hope someone will dispose of me quietly. People are not dry statistics, well not to most of us anyway.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 17:14:18

I did my degrees through the OU, GracesGranMK3
I actually didn't write that all reports are biased, but the views of those who write them often are. Certainly not all the reports I wrote contained biased views but we all have some bias whether we recognise it/them or not.
I certainly know what mine are.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 17:15:41

trisher
Blair and Brown years 1997-2007

Whitewavemark2 Fri 24-May-19 17:22:06

Ah! I’m glad you’ve made that clear *gg54g as your announcement that you were a lawyer made me worried about your statement about bias.

Interestingly which part of the law did you specialise in? I have some family in law

trisher Fri 24-May-19 17:26:11

But only 10 years GG54 when they failed to overcome the damage 20 years of Tory rule had done. Possibly because Blair was never a socialist anyway. The OU by the way established and funded by the Labour government to extend opportunities arguably Harold Wilson's greatest achievement.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 24-May-19 17:36:41

"I actually didn't write that all reports are biased, but the views of those who write them often are." (Fri 24-May-19 17:14:18)

But that is exactly what you learned to understand surely Gabriella. It is why you do all the work at the beginning of a report so that it is obvious why it is being written and you have an understanding of any bias of your own. At least that is what I thought you were supposed to do. Perhaps some do not shock

hugshelp Fri 24-May-19 17:39:01

I notice that most, if not all, of the people who say that 'poverty is relative' are people who aren't experiencing it.

My DD had to send a friend some money a while back. Why? Because her chronically ill and disabled friend couldn't get benefits. So she had to rely on a food bank. The only problem being that she has multiple food allergies and intolerances and the food they could provide was making her so ill she ended up in hospital. Where at least she got fed for a few days. Once back out she would have been in the same situation so DD sent cash.
And DDs situation? She was bed-bound and in constant pain due to her own illness and disabilities. She had a little money to spare because she was literally too ill to spend any. She is now somewhat improved, and has a disabled flat and with the help of carers and a lot of bed rest has something of a life. She is very grateful that her benefits cover her necessities but she would struggle now to find money to help someone else. But I know she would try.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 17:40:16

I am not a Tory and, most definitely, have never blamed past generations for anything at any time.
I live very much in the present and always take ownership of my good and bad points.
I had a great childhood and plenty of opportunities to work when I left school. At one time I had three jobs so I could buy the things I liked and not just the things one income stream would afford me.
I know all about hard work but sympathy IMO is a wasted emotion. Tut-tutting and a bunch of flowers is useless.
Why I should constantly think of people worse off than myself when buying my groceries or new clothes or a holiday, is a conundrum to me.
Would that alleviate their situation?
What about the billions given in foreign aid to corrupt countries who haven't stood on their own two feet in decades?
What about the food and clothing donations given by shops and supermarkets?
What about UK charities which help (or try to help) homeless people who then abuse the help by preferring to live on the streets and beg?
What about the volunteers who provide free meals at various locations in the UK.
We cannot be all things to all people.
If I were to live my life thinking daily or weekly about families in 'poverty' or homelessness, would that help in any way?
Of course I know about those things but I live my life and enjoy the fruits of my labour.
Not to do so would be miserable and a waste of my life and the efforts of my ex in getting to this point.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 24-May-19 17:44:39

I certainly know what mine are. (GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 17:14:18)

You certainly know how to use an informal fallacy GabriellaG54 and I fell for it, sadly.

Rather than discuss your strawman I would much prefer to talk about the people who have gone into poverty under the Tories and the torturous treatments of those in the benefits system.

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 17:45:23

When you are getting paid to represent the best interests of a client, one is hardly likely to stress the positives of the opposing view.

trisher Fri 24-May-19 17:53:11

GG54
"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 18:02:46

I think, I know, we walk different paths.
I have no desire to immerse myself or talk about situations which are outside my capability to alter.
I have seen poverty and homelessness but the wider economics surrounding those positions are not mine to mend.
I'm a helper...to a degree. I do certain things but, there IS a cut off point. I have a life and a clear conscience.
You give 5 families (who are living in straitened circumstances) £5k and see how long it lasts and how they use it. There was a tv series on something similar where a number of families were given a whole years worth of benefits in one go, about £26k. Fools.

MamaCaz Fri 24-May-19 18:13:35

Should we conclude that lawyers are bound to be biased - it goes with the job?
No - I presume that many of them still have the mental and emotional capacity to take a less selfish and single-minded attitude towards their fellow human beings when not being paid for their bias, but not all of them, it would seem.

I am finding it really hard to believe that some of the blinkered and dogmatic opinions that I keep reading on here genuinely come from an 'educated' person, as they seem too clichéd for that.

Gonegirl Fri 24-May-19 18:14:58

trisher I was born in in 1941 in Oxfordshire. Delivered at home by the local doc, with my mother under chloroform. God knows who paid his bill. We certainly had no money. Think he must have waived it. He was a kind old boy. grin

Gonegirl Fri 24-May-19 18:16:02

(that was in answer to a question you put further up/down the thread)

trisher Fri 24-May-19 18:25:34

Gonegirl then you were 7 when the NHS was established, so you grew up under it. You had regular health checks, immunisation and free school milk, had your mother been unemployed you would have had free school meals. There was a programme of building social housing to accommodate families. There was a clothing allowance for school uniform for the poorest. There were grants available for further education. It wasn't perfect but it was the beginning of a society with a social conscience where support was given when it was needed. Something which is sadly lacking today.

Gonegirl Fri 24-May-19 18:41:47

Yes trisher. I remember it all very well. There were also private landlords charging exorbitant rent on condemned housing because tenants had nowhere else to go. The social housing started with prefabs - cold and damp - and not everyone could get one of those! So please don't make it out it was all wine and roses back then. It wasn't.

Yes, I had free school meals, not because my mother was unemployed. She worked in the local laundry when she could. But she was in and out of hospital a lot of the time.

I don't know how old you are trisher, but don't try to tell me what it was like in the forties and fifties.

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trisher Fri 24-May-19 19:05:36

Social housing did not start with prefabs, some councils were building in the 1930s. Nor were prefabs cold and damp (my gran loved hers) originally built to house bombed out families in WW2 they lasted far longer than the predicted 10 years and some people still live in them very happily.
Private landlords are now charging exhorbitant rents as well and throwing families who cannot pay onto the streets and as there is no social housing they are accommodated in B&Bs where another unscrupulous person makes more money from them. How is this better than what happened to you?

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 19:06:42

MamaCaz
Please tell me what sort of actions you think I should take regarding poverty and homelessness.
I'm really at a loss to understand what you expect from people who don't live at poverty level.

Gonegirl Fri 24-May-19 19:10:32

I meant the lowest rung of council housing was the prefabs. And ours was cold and damp. There was an open fire in the living room and that was it.

Gonegirl Fri 24-May-19 19:12:52

I'm not saying it is any better. But don't make out life was great for the poor back then. In many ways nothing's changed.

hugshelp Fri 24-May-19 19:16:03

I'm really at a loss to understand what you expect from people who don't live at poverty level.
Vote with a social conscience. Don't 'rubbish' official reports that highlight poverty to enable those in power to continue to further impoverish those in great need. Give help where you can when you see a need. That's all any of us can do.
Yes there are a few 'undeserving poor' that milk the system. But there are way more people who are genuinely in dire situations through no fault of their own. And the money given to those few is a pittance compared to that milked by those who already have plenty, and that wasted.
How many of the people that trot out, 'I work hard for what I've got' actually thank their lucky stars they are able to?

GabriellaG54 Fri 24-May-19 19:25:04

Whitewavemark2
LLM (Eur)

MamaCaz Fri 24-May-19 19:36:01

GabriellaG54

I don't expect you to take any 'action', as you put it, regarding poverty and homelessness.
That doesn't stop me thinking, based on what you have said on several occasions, that you have a very cold disregard for those less fortunate than yourself, a detachment that seems to be way beyond the norm.