The Labour Party

GracesGranMK3, reading the last few pages of this thread has reminded me of an old adage which states, "there is none so blind as they that do not wish to see."

I was blind when I voted for Corbyn

Graces Gran / WW/Grandad/bmacca

If there is a snap General Election, very possible, Labour wins .

Is Labour now a REMAIN Party or EXIT party ?

If in opposition it’s remain, if in government it’s not yet decided

Seems that Labour’s racism row escalated yesterday as three prominent peers resigned the whip over its handling of anti-Semitism, with at least one other indicating they could follow in the coming days.

All Corbyn critics etc can now have a thread all to yourselves.
It doesn't work like that, though, does it

Is Panorama tonight still about the anti-Semitism in the LP or has it changed to the news from Washington?

I think the anti semitism programme is still on,

Definitely about Labour Party antisemitism- interesting viewing!!

Corbyn seems to be stuck in a time warp.

His tolerance (even if he denies it) of anti-semitism stems from a longstanding support for the Palestinians and a confusion of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism.

He cannot bring himself to criticise Putin because he does not seem to have noticed that the USSR has disappeared and Russia is no longer a communist country.

Worst of all, in spite of his protestations that he voted remain, he is an out and out brexiter, who has a long standing hatred of the EU which he considers a capitalist club.

If the Labour Party had had a decent leader these last few years, this brexit nonsense would have been stopped long ago.

varian - I agree with you. Corbyn is still fighting the battles of the 1970's and 80's.

He failed to notice that the anti-semitic mural that was to be painted over was anti-semitic because he never bothered to look at it properly.

He supports Brexit but is too dishonest to say so.

He has his head in the sand over the anti-semitism problem in the Labour Party and prefers to leave it to others to deal with it.

His laziness in dealing with detail, his over-reliance on his close advisers to whom his is a puppet and his dishonesty and dissembling are all the worst possible qualities for someone who wishes to be our prime minister.

I'm not sure if a different leader could have stopped Brexit though. The Labour party are kidding themselves that Leave voters in Labour-held constituencies will still vote Labour if the Brexit Party stands.

Nigel Farage has made it clear he's after seats in those constituencies. What is needed is a united front in Parliament for Remain regardless of party until the next election. But Corbyn would never join it. That is when the Labour Party might split.

varian
Corbyn seems to be stuck in a time warp

What time warp? He and his party have amazing transformative polices for the many including Renationalise our NHS and tackling the threat posed by climate as a matter of urgency.

His tolerance (even if he denies it) of anti-semitism stems from a longstanding support for the Palestinians and a confusion of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism.

Jeremy is a life long anti racist and peace activist won two peace awards. Jenny Formby has dealt admirably and speeded up process.

He cannot bring himself to criticise Putin because he does not seem to have noticed that the USSR has disappeared and Russia is no longer a communist country

Why? He does not need to criticise putin he is not in government

Worst of all, in spite of his protestations that he voted remain, he is an out and out brexiter, who has a long standing hatred of the EU which he considers a capitalist club.

He voted remain and there is plenty of evidence that he was out campaigning for remain.

If the Labour Party had had a decent leader these last few years, this brexit nonsense would have been stopped long ago.

The Brexit nonsense is totally of the Tories making.

Corbyn did not campaign for remain or leave,he didn’t campaign, he refused to take part in the tv debates, and he went on holiday

As Grany has stated and has been restated on this forum any number of times, this whole Brexit mess has been created by the Tory Party and no other organisation.

The Tory Party in parliament had the numbers together with their paid for support of the UDP to see the United Kingdom leave the European Union on March the 29th. However, the ERG group (the party within the party) and others voted against that Leave Agreement, and so Britain remained in the EU and the crisis deepened.

Therefore as stated the Tory party are 100% responsible for this Brexit debacle and constitutional crisis and no other grouping whatsoever.

Of course, the right on this forum do not like having that pointed out to them and will make every effort through numerous posts to place blame elsewhere, and continuously fail.

Why has the fear of loosing votes from the small minority of Labour voters who voted leave driven the direction of the Labour Party for the last three years while the ,majority of Labour MPs, Labour members and Labour voters have been ignored?

It is a quirk of our undemocratic FPTP voting system that the brexiters can claim "most Labour constituencies" voted Leave.

It is time that LP MPs remembered that their first duty as Members of Parliament is NOT to inflict harm on our country, which any kind of brexit would certainly do, and vote with their conscience, even if they think their job might be at risk.

The simple fact is that the Labour Party/Movement policy on Brexit was set by the annual delegate conference in September of last year. As so often stated on this forum, that policy is "to seek as first priority a General Election, and should that not prove possible, to seek a second referendum."

As the months have progressed since the above policy was set by those lay delegates from all sections on British commerce, industry and society, that "seek a General Election first" has proven to be the most positive method of solving this Tory created Brexit shambles. In that, even in Tory Ranks, it is now being accepted that a General Election may be inevitable in solving this crisis.

Of course in the parliamentary Labour Party, there are those that cannot accept that such" low born grassroots Lay activists" at that conference had the foresight to visualise such a policy and outcome, in the face of "their betters" who make up the MPs of the Parliamentary Labour Party."

However, the usual crowd of old Blairites MPs who have never accepted the overwhelming election of Jeremy Corbyn, also cannot even accept the democracy of the Labour Movement Annual Delegate Conference as being the supreme body in setting all Labour policies. Therefore they have continually spread confusion, put forward their own alternative policies to the right wing press and caused maximum disruption in the Parliamentary Party at every turn.

The Broader Labour movement in the country has however remained resolutely behind the conference decision and with the passage of time that has proven to be correct.

The above demonstrates that those who have continually carried out the above undemocratic and disruptive actions have to be removed from the positions they hold in the party. I believe that the disgusting behaviour and actions of Tom Watson and others over the last few days brings that "Sort Out" very much nearer, or even the possibility of the Broader Labour Movement " ditching the parliamentary Labour Party and forming a new Socialist Party from within their organisations.

Without doubt, such is the depth of feeling among grassroots lay activists in the movement at present that the above is a very distinct possibility I feel.

Most Labour members and most Labour voters voted for the UK to REMAIN in the UK. Most Labour MPs respect that vote and indeed recognise that any kind of brexit will damage our country.

There may be some influential trade union leaders and new recruits that Momentum brought in to the Labour Party who seem to have been calling the shots for the last three year but it is time that the Labour Party started to stand up for what they know is best for our country - to REMAIN in the EU>

variant, the Labour Party has to carry out the wishes of its members and affiliate members. It is not in public ownership and therefore it is the elected grassroots representatives and activists (new or old) that attend Branch, district, regional and national bodies that set policy for the whole movement.

The above (as we are all witnessing) is the same in the Tory Party, and that is known as internal democracy towards the membership.

Those policies will be put to the whole electorate at any forthcoming General Election for them to accept or reject. Therefore it is not for anyone outside those political parties to "demand" what they should consider or do. If they wish to see any change in those parties, they can always join the party of their choice and attend the meetings, and put their points forward.

Outside of the above, people can comment on any policy or practice of a political party on forums such as this, but to demand change is pointless.

In such, nearly half a million have joined the Labour party since 2015, and six and half million are in affiliate membership, and that's the persons the executive should and are listening too.

And that's the way it should be.

Grandad1943 are you proud of the way that the Labour Party has behaved over brexit? - ignoring the views of the majority of its MPs, its members and its voters, who all want the UK to Remain in the EU?

It's not fair
The right wing press and Blairites in the Labour party all are tying their best to smear undermine and get rid of JC the twice democratically elected leader of LP by any means.

Here is one of many

Here is a man Neil Grant
Same Executive Producer on three Channel 4 and BBC anti-Corbynite programmes revealed as former Labour activist

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The membership joined Labour in their thousands because of Mr Corbyn and the many excellent polices we like that he is a man we trust means what he says.

An activist, peace campaigner awarded two peace awards stood up and spoke out against the Iraq war has always been on the right side of history. His voting record speaks for itself and a man with the least expenses claimed and his tax return can be seen.

What would the far left do without claiming everyone who speaks out against Corbyn is a Blairite

Blair was the only Labour Party leader to win three consecutive general elections.

The far left use Blairite when they really mean the centre left in the Labour Party. Centre left are not wanted in the party, it’s far left only .

No longer a broad church which is was when Blair was leader, he should have kicked Corbyn out.

Just listened to Robert Winston , many years a Labour Party
member . He is a man the far left want rid of.

How can you say the current Tory government is a disgrace? They rescued us from bankruptcy - yet again - after a Labour government. There are more people in employment than ever, school results are moving upwards & the NHS has more money than ever. The fact that the NHS waste most of it is down to the fact that they are still a badly run nationalised industry that no-one dares to modernise because it is such a sacred cow!! God preserve us from another Labour term, especially led by JC

- and why, if the labour party are so against Brexit , did they vote in Parliament in overwhelming numbers to trigger article 50, and to uphold the result of the referendum?
Labour are a 'cake & eat it' party. They bend their policies to suit the prevailing wind.
Jeremy Corbyn is an old-fashioned socialist/communist who would like to turn the UK into Uruguay.

It's not fair

It is perfectly fair to highlight what they believe is wrong with the leadership of their party - after all, they do not want to be in opposition for decades, which is likely unless things change.

Many new people did join the Labour Party, yes, but at the time many other 'traditional labour voters' deserted them and followed UKIP. They felt that the LP under Corbyn manipulated by Momentum no longer spoke for them.