The Labour Party

Bullying is the what Momentum does best

"However, it has to be remembered that such behaviour has been going on for over three years now, and those in the broader Labour movement outside of the Parliamentary party are demanding that those perpetrating such behaviour are acted against."
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Corbyn managed to vote against his Leader off and on for years and nobody said he should be ' deselected'. He had an Independent mind like others but he/they were accepted.

That takes us back to the Labour is a Broad Church nonsense. Labour is a party of HOSTILE LISTS/DESELECTIONS and run by Momentum that does not respect any MP that does not hold with their position.

Back to the days of Militant comrades, hoo ra.

True POGS one only has to read grandad1943 posts about getting rid of centre left members .

Broad Church, a lie. Not anti semetic , a lie.

gentler politics , big, big, big lie.

POGS, in regard to your post @ 19:18 today (28/07/19) could please inform me which Conservative MPs who have carried out like wise to those at present being considered for deselection in the Labour Party are deemed to be honest, trustworthy, showing sense and in that case Labour welcomes them, as you state?

Also with regard to Margret Hodge as stated in my previous post, she was invited to a private and frank meeting with Jeremy Corbyn to discuss her discontent whatever that may be. She then decided to covertly record that meeting, placing aside those so-called discontents in the hope that Corbyn would state something which she could place in the hands of Britain's right-wing press that would cast him in a poor light. How low can some people sink, and their can be no defence of the indefensible.

Many members within the Labour party have placed their views of that woman's actions on other social media sites. I will not reproduce those posts here or my own thoughts of that woman's action, for undoubtedly this post would be deleted should I do that.

Anniebach
The Labour Party has returned to its core root beliefs?

Yes Core Beliefs proper Socialism which are Labour polices and their manifesto. Not the neoliberalism of the 'New' Labour the Blair period. He was in league with Murdock and is a godfather to Murdock's offspring. in the pockets of the rich.

Jeremy Corbyn can't be bought.

The 60’s and 70’s ,Harold Wilson , James Callaghan, in the control of the unions, strikes , strikes, strikes, then further left with Michael Foot , this all brought us the Thatcher years.

Thatcher made the unions useless We need good unions to protect workers rights.

^Then Neil Kinnock, John Smith, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown
which brought the party 3 consecutive general election wins^.

Murdock boasts he choose all the PMs since the 70s that is too much power for a billionaire newspaper owner. tax avoider.

^The country has moved on since 1945. We do not have
flat caps, pigeon lofts, terrier crossed dogs , workman’s clubs where women were banned.^

The election of a proper socialist Labour PM after the war even though we had massive debts because of the war but still brought in the NHS and the welfare state which was badly needed and which made it better for all and many people benefited for many years.

Grandad1943 Excellent posts.

How could any sensible person expect Margaret to trust Corbyn ?

He has proved over and over he is not a person to trust.

A quote from Attlee on the far left 1951

‘Just as we were beginning to win the match , our outside left has scored against its own side. ‘

Seems Attlee had the same opinion of the far left as I do.

As usual no full or structured counter-arguments from either POGS or anniebach to arguments raised in this thread.

By the way, had Margret Hodge covertly recorded meetings with others while working in any commercial organisation, then undoubtedly she would have disciplinary action brought against her by her employers, and in all probability been dismissed on the grounds of gross misconduct.

Wonder why she wasn’t. !

Grandad

As for ' that woman' perhaps she has had so much crap thrown at her from those in the higher echelons of the Labour Party and those who constantly deny there is an anti_semetic problem she felt it necessary to prove she is not the one lying and recorded it. I don't know but trust there ain't.

As I said to you on one of your ' constant ' attacks on Margaret Hodge:-

"Perhaps if the Margaret Hodges of the Labour Party had not incurred the wrath of the anti_semetic behaviour aroused and reported since Corbyn became Leader they would never had a problem to deal with."

The point re DESELECTIONS and your view that those MP's who do not fall at the feet of Corbyn are self centred and my point re when a Conservative MP does not fall at the feet of their Leader are they not being self centred also?

I have heard Labour Ministers and MP's praise the likes of Soubry/Grieve et al for showing the courage to stand up for what they thought was right against their Leader, yet their own MP's are traitors, fucking useless as McDonnell said for doing the same and standing up for what they believe in against their leader.

I appreciate deselection has also been involved in the Conservative Party, example David Gauke, however the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party are known to have orchestrated the practice of DESELECTIONS and the Hostile List was a flavour of what has followed.

Do you not agree that vacant seats will be filled, are being filled with Union/Momentum members. The voices over the years from those MP's/Councillors who saw what was happening with the Momentum / Labour Party, maybe trying to be forced out by Momentum in their own constituencies, were shouted down, accused of conspiracy but the years have at least shown Labour voters there was a truth behind it and the Broad Church Labour Party has been lost to them.

Why would Margaret have cause not to trust the mighty one, ?

Alastair Campbell on the Today programme this morning:

"I think that with Jeremy Corbyn he has got to look deep into himself and say is he up to the job, is he up to the challenge that (he) now faces? Because if not, we are heading to a very dark, dangerous place with an unbelievably right-wing, populist Government and the answer to which is not a populism of the left."

I agree with Alastair, far right or far left are frightening.

Corbyn is not a leader, yes he can whip up cheers at rallies
but it takes more to be a leader.

Alistair Campbell was never elected to any position in the Labour Party or broader movement. He was Tony Blairs Press Secretary that acted as a bully to anyone who challenged him or his master in that position.

No one I feel in the Labour movement will shed any tears on hearing he has resigned from the party and will not wish to return.

He is just another Blairite "has been" still trying to capture the headlines. The Labour Party and its affiliate movement has moved on, is now far more democratic under a vastly altered organisational structure, which now belongs to its grassroots activist members and affiliate activist members.

Campbell and those in his image and from his era should wake up, accept what has changed, stop trying to interfere for the sake of gaining publicity on their sinking political careers.

A yesterday's man.

like Corbyn, perhas?

Imagine Corbyn with world leaders, clutching his scripts

Grandad - Your views on those wicked 'Blairites' make me want to get a T-shirt that says "I too am Spartacus" in support of what Alistair Campbell says about the current Labour leadership.

The idea that the Labour Party doesn't have room for people who gave 50 years of their lives supporting it is nauseating. It's those extreme, one sided views that are leading to many leaving the party, or feeling they can no longer support it. It could lead to another tory government. That's something this country can't afford

Why the constant ‘let’s get rid of another Blairite ‘ ?

Be honest just say what you mean ‘let’s get rid of another
centre left party member’

Tom Watson has announced George Galloway will stand against him at the general election.

Corbyn will be soooo happy

will Galloway stand as an independent or Respect/name your organisation candidate. He’s a loathsome charlatan. He spoke in our town when wild conspiracy theories about 9/11 were discussed. Galloway did nothing to challenge his admirers who made these statements.
Tom Watson is subjected to awful abuse by Momentum supporters.

He is loathsome. He closed his Respect Party in 2016, so
I assume he will stand Independent but will Momentum secretly support him, there has been talk for ages there are plans to get him out. Think it will be a dirty fight.

Momentum are putting forward the candidate to stand against Frank Field at the general election.

The constituency will be flooded with Momentum activists

tribunemag.co.uk/2019/08/demonising-the-left

03.08.2019
Demonising the Left
By
David Miller
A new report commissioned by the government uses anti-war activism as evidence that socialists in Britain pose an 'extremist' threat.

What a crazy right wing Tory government we have!

It sickens me to my stomach when people say Corbyn is antisemitic. Here he is again, sticking his head above the parapet when no bugger else did. My god, but people should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Really, really ashamed. You know who you are.

twitter.com/0Calamity/status/1157411957269508099?s=20

Just a few tweets of the many peope tweeting their support backing for Jeremy Corbyn.

After four year of unrelentless media attacks

You should also note that Corbyn has democratised the party so it is no longer a personal fiefdom for the leader

I am 67 voted Labour all my adult life
Jeremy Corbyn is the best thing to happen to the Labour Party and to the country, especially since it is in such a diabolical state after 10 years of Tories! I will not change!

I’m in my late 60s, a socialist all my adultish life.
Corbyn brought me back to Labour after my disappointment in the latter days of New Labour and I continue to support him and respect the enlivened party democracy.

54, Life long Labour voter... usually as a vote against Tories, finding it rather nice to have something to vote for rather against.

I'm 44, always voted Labour, but because of Corbyn I finally became a member and actively support Labour now, and there are many thousands like me

I was a life long Labour voter until neoliberalist Blair. Corbyn won me back and had me joining a political party for the first time in my life.

The most right wing and incompetent government in decades is aided and abetted by a right wing media quaking at the thought of a left of centre Labour government pledged to undertake massive reforms. What surprise is there that polls underrate the support for a Labour government?

This is what lifelong
@UKLabour
party members have been waiting for since The post war government.
Now we will have government that works for all of us and can’t be bought.

Imagine that.

My whole family are “lifelong Labour”, still Labour, forever Labour. They love Corbyn, respect Corbyn, back Corbyn. So, you’re just going to have to stick that in your reality sandwich & take a big bite.

My CLP is full of them tbf.
I'm 55 tho & joined in '16 when Lab stopped being a mild tory party, always felt Blair was a fraud & proved right but, more importantly, found a force for real change. Its not even hard left OR rocket science. Fund public services, no US wars, fair tax

Quotes from twitter ? everyone could be matched with
quotes from twitter on Corbyn the anti semetic

Mick Whitley the labour candidate to stand against Frank Field is a member of UNITE