The Labour Party

Grany

You're post is obviously the thought of a die hard Corbyn /Far Left poster and quoting from Tribune (reborn but still far left/Marxist/Trotskyite leaning, happy to be corrected) is simply following the mantra of the far left:-

' It' s all a conspiracy, nothing to see hear, Corbyn is not to be challenged ' trope.

For years we have debated the type of Leadership under Corbyn the Labour Party has found itself to be in. As per human nature some have raised the Hostile List/Deselection/Anti-Semitism/Bullying /Harrasment and Intimidation since the Jeremy For Leader, Momentum, Labour Party was formed. Others have categorically denied even the remote possibility it was based on anything but lies and conspiracy, no matter how much evidence is witnessed or provided.

The latter group blame Blairites/Right Wing Press/Conservatives/Biased Media / Uncle Tom Cobley and all and totally disregard the truth and the fact the problems are being reported by those inside the Labour Party.

Your quotes are just proving the point that nothing will stop the far left mantra:-

"It' s all a conspiracy, nothing to see hear, Corbyn is not to be challenged ' trope."

"Momentum are putting forward the candidate to stand against Frank Field at the general election.

The constituency will be flooded with Momentum"
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Momentum and the Unions will be forwarding candidates in most Labour seats in the constituencies that have seen Labour MP's resign (sitting as Independents) or get deselected by the Momentum/Labour Party. That has been the plan from day one of Corbyn becoming Labour Leader.

I have said before and will say it again. I hope Frank Field wins but Frank Field has been here before many years ago with those on the far left wanting to get rid of him. History is repeating itself but I think the best he will do is eat into the Labour vote.

Sadly a good MP like Frank Field has fallen foul of the reborn Militent Tendency Brigade, it was inevitable. Some don't realise they are supporting the ' old' school of thinking, they think they are young and progressive, I think the wool over their eyes is lifting somewhat and that will be to the advantage of the Lib Dems.

I suppose the following is lies by the Tory press

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/frank-field-labour-selection-meeting-15848495

Anybody interested, can I suggest watching a you tube clip Militant Labour/British Labour Party/TV Eye/1981

I am not sure of copyright technicalities.

It is a programme on Militant Tendency and has interviews with Derick Hatton, Peter Taaffe, Tony Mulhearn et al. Names who have been noted again for their attempts to rejoin Labour over recent months since Corbyn was elected as Leader. No idea if successful or not.

The mirror image of Militant Tendency and Momentum are in the eye of the beholder I'm sure but to my mind the ethos, mantra, practices and rhetoric are practically the same but in a different era.

In the video a younger Frank Field is also interviewed and that was in 1981. Fast forward to 2019 and the conversation is the same since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum/Labour Party was formed.

Hence the saying ' Back To The Future'.

Yes practically the same POGS , the Labour Party is back in 1981, and racing toward a repeat of 1983

POGS - it’s grim when life long Labour supporters like me find your comments about 1981 resonate so well. Unlike those from grany and co ?

What you right wing talking about Labour 1981 83 is not now.
Jeremy Corbyn has a progressive forward thinking for massive change manifesto. And have you actually read all the 100 polices as voted for by the membership? It is a people's party for the people, how could anyone not want these needed polices? Who could argue about that?

And a fantastic green policy.

And Labour would save our NHS Renationalise it.

Other parties, Libdem same Tories Jo Swindon voted for all all Torie austerity polices.

Only credible Party for the many is Labour and Jeremy Corbyn Its who the membership overwhelmingly voted for.

This is a good and intelligent man to listen to.

m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=-n5YiCRIujo

Grany difficult for you to accept but not everyone who is against Corbyn are right wing.

I’ve been listening to Alan Johnson interviewed about his latest book. He doesn’t believe Corbyn is a leader, or ever wanted to be one. He describes him as a puppet whose strings are being manipulated. That description is one I’ve heard from a number of loyal Labour people who are close to the leaders group and shar AJ’s concerns.
Johnson also despairs that the greates abuse levelled at anyone who expresses concerns about his leadership , is the term Blairite.
It’s a given in this country that split, conflicted parties don’t win elections

I listened to Alan Johnson Iam , unbelievable he will be called ‘right wing’ by Corbynites

Well people who don't agree with Corbyn Labour are usually right wing. Jeremy Corbyn is a leader and does want to be PM. Have you seen the applause after speaking at rallies He is very much wanted by the many who voted him in overwhelmingly
Don't know about Alan Johnson hasn't got my interest, got a book to promote. Anyway think what you want.

Oh I will, think what I want that is, Grany.

Yes, I’ve seen Corbyn speak a number of times. I saw him at four Hustings during the leadership campaign after Ed Miliband resigned. I didnt rate Liz Kendal, she was the weaker candidate. Corbyn spoke well and was the most popular speaker. I didn’t believe he would be a Leader who could take the majority of voters with him. Nothing since then has done anything to persuade me otherwise.
We need a Labour government, we won’t get one until Corbyn is replaced by someone the majority trust.

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To dismiss Alan Johnson as someone with a book to promote says more about the poster than it ever could about a man like Alan Johnson

Don’t know about Alan Johnson ?

Corbyn is a leader who doesn’t want to be PM

This is a windup

Alan Johnson is much missed. I think he had personal problems which helped to take him out of active politics.
He was our local MP for a while.
After boundary reform.

Grany 'Well people who don't agree with Corbyn Labour are usually right wing.'

nonsense, truly.

Alan Johnson experienced a life so different to Corbyn.

Corbyn talks poverty and being underprivileged,Johnson lived it.

I believe he did have ' personal' problems in his marriage and resigned as Shadow Chancellor in 2011 but it was not until the 2017 General Election he ' stood down'.

He remarried in 2016 and I think Corbyn / Momentum might have had an influence in his decision not to stand again but maybe he just felt it was time to think of himself first, I don't blame him.

Yes, he was another good Labour politician who is missed and I use to like seeing him with Micheal Portillo on This Week as both were always fair and didn't particularly play Tribal Politics but spoke about an issue as they found at that time.

Of course the Corbynistas will dislike the man because he was too vocal for them and refer to him as a Tory light/Blairite so he would have been probably on the hit list anyway.

Well, I'm confused. I've been called a Commie on here, yet I really don't rate Corbyn highly (and especially not Momentum).

So am I right-wing, left-wing or what?

I can't help thinking of the lyrics to this song:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAIsqvTh7g

brilliant song - thanks (oh, and so am I - some relatives think I am so left extremely left wing- and some of my friends think I am almost right wing - whatever that means. Yes, I do try to look at things from all sides- and yes, it does come from my very mixed family and upbringing. Good.)

Listening to the Corbynites, the Labour Party has only been in existence since 2015. So wrong, the Labour Party died in 2015.

Thanks growstuff one of my favourite songs Ive often played this Ha.

Been called Corbynista just love Labour's polices now under Corbyn, so I became a member like a lot of people, didn't rate Blair much get rich quick politition. He was very in with Murdock the press baron.

I didn't rate Blair at the end (after he began to look haunted), but he did what he had to do to get three Labour governments and, despite his flaws, he did leave behind some positive things (which the Conservatives are relentlessly destroying). The UK will never vote for a government which is perceived as left-wing, so Labour needs to attract the centre (or at least left of centre). The Conservatives have, on the whole, appealed to enough people to get re-elected. They're losing it now because more people are recognising that they've been affected by austerity, so Labour needs to act smart and get voted in. They won't, as things stand.

John Smith, Blair and Brown knew to win an election they had to reach across the country.

Corbynites think they can win an election with their membership numbers.

It would seem that several on this thread continually use the words/names of Corbyn and Momentum with obsessional frequency and to the disregard of all else

However, it is not that person or that group of persons that has brought Britain into the worst political and now constitutional crisis that has come about in more than seventy years.

The accolade for that above action lays with this shambles on a Tory government and no other body whatsoever. Within the Tory Party, we see the ERG group that has uncompromisingly dominated this government with its extream hard-right policies that has done more than any other actions to bring the United Kindom to the division and impasse it faces now.

All Momentum and trade union members have been democratically elected to all the positions they may hold and within the current rules of the Labour movement. There is also the fact that the Labour Party are not the party of Government at this time of great crisis. Therefore, that party has played no part in bringing forward the huge divisions and critical situation we all face now.

However, the so-called European Research Group (ERG) within the Tory party have caused immeasurable damage to the Conservative Party and all that reside in this country. No one elected the persons within that group to hold such a position of total dominance that has affected all the residents of this country.

It is not Momentum or the Labour Party that has taken Britain through the debacle of the Brexit negotiations, or the parliamentary and constitutional crisis our nation now finds itself in. As stated, that has undoubtedly been brought about by the Tories and within them the ERG group.

The balloted actions of Momentum within the Labour party pale into insignificance when viewed against the destruction the ERG has wrought in the Tory party and this country.

Of course many in this thread would not wish to post on that through their totally blinkered views.