How very dare he!

Well, I like Boris and Nigel. Can't stand Trump though.

phoenix
Another supporter here.
I could add more about the hoped-for reception here but would be banned !

phoenix! Don't mention farts!!! And don't even think about buttocks! (Especially, perhaps, in this context)

Silly comment phoenix in my opinion.

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Well said that woman.

I agree Aepgirl I think Trump is America’s Maggie Thatcher.
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Thank you for your voice of reason Tillybelle

Most Remainers howl that the referendum was:

a. Only advisory (which the general voting public were not made aware of by David Cameron so it’s not Leave’s fault now that we would like it to be honoured)

and

b. it was tampered with by dark forces (which those of us who voted without access to Facebook again feel aggrieved about when we are told our votes were gerrymandered)

No wonder we feel bitter now after 3 long years of fudge and obstruction!

I wonder what will happen when Trump, at the banquet, petulantly demands a burger "I don't eat this foreign stuff - its not American"!?

Maybe he’ll be offered chlorinated washed chicken?

Or maybe he won’t be petulant and embarrassing. Now there’s a measured thought.
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Never heard a remainer make any of those arguments Urmstongran. All the ones I know accepted the result of the Referendum, the only thing is some feel that as the result was so very close, there should be some consideration for the large remain vote in the exit negotiations.

I get particularly annoyed when Mrs May talks about it being the Will of the British People, well it isn't the will of the British People. It is the will of just over half the British people. Indeed in some of the comments about her approach to the negotiations made when she resigned. A number of commentators made just that point. That her intransigence in refusing to acknowledge that the referendum had been a close run thing and constantly harping on the Will of the British People, she did much to cause many of the problems she faced.

I know we are governed by majority votes - and not just in Parliamentary elections, but a wise government, or a local society, or PTA pays heed to how big its majority is and tailors its policies to make sure they take as many of the public with them as possible when in control.

I am not, and never will be, in favour of a second referendum. But it is worth noting that, whatever the success of Nigel Farage and the Brexit party in the European elections, in fact more people voted for parties committed to staying in Europe than for those who were committed to leaving.

Oh MOnica there are many voices here on the Brexit threads who vociferously remind the Leave voters of those 2 very things - “ooh it was illegal so we need a second referendum now we know so much more and the first one was manipulated” - and “don’t you realise it was only advisory? If it hadn’t been so it could have been challenged in the courts, but sadly it can’t be so are you Leavers still happy to say you won?” - as nauseum.

I cannot believe the venom passed you by.

Check out some of the historic threads.

They will be educational to say the very least.

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I can see that revving the leavers up to a ‘whoop whoop whoop we love you Donnie baby’ state

Another put-down.

Since when did wanting to leave the EU equate to a love of Donald (or Donnie Baby) Trump BlueBelle?

Are you another who sees those who voted Leave as lame-brains, stupid, simple....etc, etc, etc?

Please give it a rest.

I won't bore you with my academic qualifications or those of even more academic people I know who voted leave, but for your information I loathe Trump with a passion. It's not about left or right, or bright or stupid, but remainers seem to want to make it so. Says much about them...

I am in favour of unbiased, unedited reporting.

Likewise, Beckett but there is fat chance of that with the left wing BBC agenda.

A corporation that takes public money in license fees should remain firmly neutral and merely report the news, not give us their skewed spin on it or their PC leftist agenda. It's deplorable.

Time we stopped paying the fee.

I tend not to read or post on Brexit threads. they are so very boring. I was thinking really about friends, family and other occasional conversations.

The possession of academic qualifications is not a guarantee for the possession of either common sense or political sophistication.

I am also very chary of sweeping statements about the attributes of leavers or remainers as a group. Some remainers may think as you say Day 6, but by no means all.

Yes, I appreciate not all remainers feel the need to malign leave voters, and I agree too that academic qualifications are not necessarily a measure of wisdom. The remainer argument is often that a lack of formal qualifications equates with stupidity. One of the wisest men I know has no formal qualifications.

What however is 'political sophistication' M0nica? That's a new one on me. Who would be politically unsophisticated? That opens a can of worms, doesn't it?

I suppose those rowdy people with little access to higher education like Chartists, Levellers, Suffragettes, etc, were sneered at too? Populist democracy has raised its head many times in our history and the so called elite are still damning it and those who feel differently from them about issues and events. Leavers have been on the receiving end of much Remainer abuse. Remainers lacking the grace to accept the result of the referendum are guilty of pushing their divisive societal agenda. (Not all but many, I hasten to add.)

Neither FDR or Kennedy were perfect people but were perfect for the people- As a result both were loathed -- Kennedy so much so that he was assassinated-

There's no comfort in knowing that haters hate themselves just as much as they hate anyone else, that they live in fear beneath their narcissistic veneers-

That her intransigence in refusing to acknowledge that the referendum had been a close run thing and constantly harping on the Will of the British People, she did much to cause many of the problems she faced.

This is another of those things where leavers and remainers clearly diverge again. I believe that May's downfall was her intransigence in attempting to take into account position and wants of the remainers to the point of ignoring the leavers, who were a majority and in numbers, not a small one either.

She did not therefore deliver the vote of the majority but the will of the remainers. She extended Brexit twice. She lied both to the people and parliament , in public 108 times ( at least) . She quite possibly broke the law , although once again nothing will be done, and she has certainly damaged democracy in this country for a very long time, if not forever.

But remainers never see that. It doesnt suit them.

Or maybe he won’t be petulant and embarrassing. Now there’s a measured though

He probably will not be embarrassing at all although the media and many haters will try to find something or make something up.

The fact is that Donald Trump is a member of the same class as Obama and Hills Clinton. He knows them. He has worked with them, moved in the same circles. He does not share their politics. He is a businessman. He is a threat in that regard and has to be vilified, but as a member of their social group ( class even) he knows how to behave, he knows how to eat with a knife and fork and he knows how to be charming and polite. He has made his business out of it - and he is the first president for a long time not to take his presidential salary because he is wealthy enough not to need it ( so are the others but they were greedy and took it anyway) .

He is reasonably smart too. He has written books and made millions, not from brothels as is the claim of some here. Yes, he started out wealthy from his family but he added to it. He has a degree in economics. Like many millionaires he has lost fortunes , made them again and lost again. That is how the game is played in business. He isnt petulant. That wouldn't get him anywhere in business. He is decisive. He knows when to stand his ground and when to cut his deals. Does that make him a bully? Maybe, maybe not. Bullies tend to be overbearing failures who feel threatened in my experience and they are largely incompetent and use bullying to throw off the flack for that.

I am not saying Trump is perfect. Of course he has a ruthless streak. Good leaders do.

That is my interpretation of Trump instead of the usual received wisdom. Make up your won minds.

The nastiness and falsehood proclaimed is astonishing sometimes.

Calendargirl I agree and another example is our Queen, 93 and still carrying out her royal duties.

Political sophistication is the opposite of 'knee jerk reaction'. The 'I have always voted Labour/Conservative and I always will' statement.

Nothing to do with education, all about people who do, or do not, think about political issues before they cast their vote and have some understanding of the issues.

The person I heard on a vox pop saying they were voting leave because the retirement age for women had been increased and they thought leaving the EU would ensure that policy was changed, is not among them.

Hope Trump shows some manners to the queen this time. Will definitely read Michelle Obamas's book. Sounds fascinating.

Never heard a remainer make any of those arguments Urmstongran. All the ones I know accepted the result of the Referendum,

I'd be interested to know, MOnica, if they have accepted the result despite knowing that it is unsafe because of the fraud and illegality perpetrated by some of the Leave campaigns, or, if they are unaware of the said fraud and illegality?

Accepting a winner in good faith is one thing, but accepting a winner even though you know it cheated is a rather different proposition.

And if you think this is venomous, Ug, you clearly are speaking a completely different English from the English I speak.

Look at the smiles from HM and the body language - you can't fake that!

The man's half British and a full patriot. I don’t think she’s the prissy waxwork people portray her as. She's clued up and smart!

And I don’t think your remarks are venomous MD

Repetitive, yes but venomous, no.

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