Is anyone else concerned about 5G?

I remember when it was proved (not assumed) that cellphone masts sited within 8km of a school or kindy, depleted the effectiveness of T-lymphocyte cells. These are the cells which fight cancer.

There was an outcry and marches and all the usual protests about the endangered health of our children. I was part of the research project and the protests.

Did it change anything? Of course it didn't because big business was backing it and it was in their best interests to make sure everyone had a cell-phone and blanket coverage.

5G may be horrifically dangerous, someone may even come up with proof but because 5G benefits business and increases profits, are protests going to do any good at all, however worried we are?

Sadly I think you are right Bradfordlass

I don’t know anything about it, but I’m sure is there are serious concerns, they’ll be brushed under the carpet.

Back in the day, when at about age twelve, my youngest got a mobile phone, I was adamant she use it only to text, because using it as a phone could cause brain tumours, still don’t really know if that’s fact or speculation!

When television first became within the price range of the average person in the 1950s, it was being said that all those signals were affecting Britains weather. My parents became convinced that the above was true when we had two years of poor weather while on our holidays at Portsmouth.

We have now also witnessed Donald Trump ban companies from dealing with Huawei due to so-called security issues with 5G installation. However, we now have that ban reversed as it soon became apparent that it was damaging the United States economy more than the Huawei sales and the Chinese economy.

This concern regarding 5G is all about money and nothing else as their will be enormous rewards for the companies and countries that are at the forefront of this technology.

Further to my above post above, 5G when fully developed will mean that there will be no requirement for the television aerial on your home, or the Satellite dish on the side, or the wired Broadband/wifi that is at present required to post on this forum by many.

I believe we will all be using it in a few years time and not thinking twice about it.

I'm sure you are correct BradfordLass after all just look at motor cars! They are far more dangerous than aeroplanes if you look at the stats but it's a risk most of us take everyday.
I still refuse to have a microwave cooker after reading some alarming health connections and ofcourse it is a luxury we can do without
A village near us refused to have a mast for mobile coverage and each time one was erected, it would mysteriously come down again overnight.

I mainly use my microwave more than oven and hob. Have done for over 30 years. I think some people are more likely to develop problems as with mobile phones others it doesn't seem to affect. All life is a gamble. I choose not to do spend much time on computer and phone as I become almost lethargic, others love the technology.

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Any new technology, especially one people do not understand, collects stories about it damaging health and bringing doom and disaster to us all.

A couple of decades ago, when computer use became wide spread, there were stories of people who were so allergic to elctro-magnetic pollution that they had to live in tents on remote Scottish Islands or other remote locations. We have not heard much about them recently, despite the rapid increase in electro magnetic activity.

But let us put it in context.The everyday pollution from the internal combustion engine is known to emit many many times more pollution than any electro magnietic pollution and kills far more people in far more ways than the rumours, mainly unsubstantiated, about the health dangers of electro-magnetic pollution and although we all may worry about it, we still get in our cars, travel by bus and plane and accept that most of our goods reach us by lorry.

Easier to worry about vague pollution that might damage us than do something about the real pollution that we know damages millions.

Peonyrose, as you state, all life is a gamble. In that, one of the first things that anyone is taught on learning industrial/workplace safety is that there are risks to be found in everything we carry out.

It is how anyone asseses, evaluates and handles those risks that is the essence of retaining personal safety.

There is reputable science showing effects on biological tissues and immune systems from mobile phone signals but it's a small segment of the larger science, funded by big business, showing no problems.

I was part of early campaigns and also took part in an early research trial which was a bit of a sham.

The UN class mobile phone signals as a carcinogen, our own government recommends that primary school children don't use mobile phones. One could go on. Other countries ban masts near schools. Its worth Googling the work of Magda Havas, a senior scientist at Trent University who has done extensive work on the biological effects of electromagnetic fields and radiation.

I am concerned about 5G but like others, feel that ordinary people have little possibility of making a difference to the rollout. Also a lot of people would rather opt for an easy life and want to do things like watch films on their phones or download huge files (why?) and value convenience over caution. The study of risk calculation in social behaviour is an interesting area!

This is the scientist I mentioned, an easy to read page about her research including references to her work with diabetes and multiple sclerosis showing the effect of microwave radiation on those conditions magdahavas.com/biography/

But also www.newscientist.com/article/2174540-no-mobile-phones-still-wont-give-you-brain-cancer/

Strange how we have more cancers than ever before, which can't all be blamed on lifestyle as sadly babies and children are also affected.
Crop spraying is another danger, nobody knows what these minute particles contain that are breathed in. Every illness/virus is airborne and it depends upon a person's ability/immunity whether or not they can shake it off-----babies and small children who don't have immunity can't. Neither can those whose immunity is also impaired due to ill health. Life now is a lottery through supply and demand-----and greed ! At the expense of people's health.

Oh these stories and superstitions do the rounds every time some new technology comes out :D Everything has the potential to damage us - true. But to put it into perspective, did you know that oxygen, that we rely on to keep us alive, is also one of the most corrosive and toxic substances around? Most of the effort spent by our bodies is in repairing the damage done to cells by oxygen.

Any increase in the incidence of cancer is due to a number of reasons included our increased longevity. The peak age range for being diagnosed with cancer is 85 - 89. As more people survive illnesses that previously killed people (infections, heart disease, tb etc etc] they end up living to an advance age when their bodies are less efficient and beginning to mal function and cancer is often a result of this malfunction

There are, and always have been contaminants in the atmosphere and life style choices that make some people more likely to get certain cancers, including young children.

For more information check www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/incidence#heading-Zero

It’s surely more than coincidence that the number of people contracting cancer has increased so dramatically since the onset of mobile phones. Do I have one? - of course I do, but I don’t have it clamped to my ear 24-7.

Totally agree with M0nica - and there are far more pressing things to worry about! Every new technology has people assuming the worst. People have been saying the same things throughout history! What a pity people don't understand a little more about statistics and scientific method.

Sorry, Aepgirl, that isn't so. See the link to cancer statistics and research in my posts above.

My husband, a scientist himself, had a close friend who died of a brain tumour. He had been involved in research and development of the first mobile phones,

He was convinced that this work was the cause of his cancer and had articles about it published in scientific journals. He did say that, as in everything else, moderation was the key and worried about youngsters who as Aepgirl hints, walk about with mobiles clamped to their ears 24/7.

I do believe the science that says 5g is harmful. Most people haven't even got 4g and nothing we use needs 5g. The masts for 5g will have to be very close together as it doesn't reach far so everyone would have to be in its range.

I always think the link to cancer because we're all getting older is a little glib.

Thanks for the link Monica. How interesting that a quick peruse brings up that 'since the 1990s the largest increase in cancer incidence is in the 0-24 age group where rates have increased by 25%.'

Interesting also that cancer rates are highest in the most deprived areas.

So is it children and young people who have been exposed to computers and electronic devices from the womb onwards who are most vulnerable to cancer? It could of course be pollution, pesticides, processed foods, poor diet, etc or even Chernobyl/Fukushima. I remember after Chernobyl it was widely reported that there would be an excess of 25,000 cancer deaths in Europe in 25 years as a result of the accident.

I'm sure there are a multiplicity of causes and a multifactorial context. I don't think that's a reason though to shrug at the arrival of each new technology and assume it's OK. Mainstream science is funded by self interested bodies and change takes a long time to come but often the mavericks are proved to have been right all along. A simple example is the acceptance now of stomach ulcers being linked to H. Pylori and curable by antibiotics. The doctor who discovered that was vilified.

And, do you know, I read a report the other day of scientists working for the petrochemical industry, Exxon in particular I think, who predicted severe climate change as long ago as 1979. The result? The industry ploughed millions into hiding the facts and promoting the industry instead.

The fact is that very little research has been done by the companies concerned re the harmfulness (or not) of these networks because the research is ongoing - i.e. we're it! I know people who can walk into a house and can tell instantly if their wifi is on or not (a friend gets blinding headaches from them). I suspect that some more sensitive people are the "canary in the coalmines" and are affected severely, but most of us don't notice the effect, nor can pinpoint health problems that are caused by it. I definitely turn off my wifi router at night and then on again in the morning - always sleep with it switched off (I know it doesn't solve the problem - my neighbours probably have theirs on 24/7) but it's all I can do. Whilst companies are making money out of this, and governments are able to make money to by selling network licences, there is no incentive for them to look for problems.

I am very concerned. I have read accounts from various doctors and scientists and it does seem to be a very dangerous frequency that is going to be used.

I am unable to use a mobile phone....they give me headaches and I have a friend who following a brain bleed also cannot use one.
We are very worried that 5G will affect our health and also it will affect anyone vulnerable.
Babies and young children are most likely to be affected.

I have read that it will affect insects too like bees.

Also Smart Meters are not safe if you are too close to them.

The main problem is that our bodies are now fighting agaisnt too many toxins.....food, air, water and now wifi and esmog. There will be a tipping point and it will definitely affect those of us who are weaker first.

I don't expect that the main population will be concerned. But all this new tech is very very new....we are all guinea pigs really.

Apparently fibre optics could do the job instead of wifi but it's more expensive.
So yet again moeny over health.

Grandad.......this time it is not going to be something everyone uses happily.......you might as well say that traffic pollution is harmless, and it most certainly is not.