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Is anyone else concerned about 5G?

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Eloethan Mon 01-Jul-19 23:33:02

I do not have a scientific background and so find it difficult to establish the veracity or otherwise of various reports regarding a number of scientific/medical issues.

Recently there have been several reports expressing concern about the roll out of 5G technology. It appears that there are reputable scientists and medical experts who feel that this technology may be damaging to people's health. There are claims that no proper trialling of the technology has been undertaken and that no insurance companies are prepared to offer cover for possible damage caused by 5G.

Many of these concerns will be written off as emanating from "cranks" and "conspiracy theorists" - and that may be the case. However, I today read a recently written article in Computer Weekly that made me wonder if it is true that no proper risk assessments have been carried out and whether at least some of the concerns expressed may be valid.

www.computerweekly.com/feature/Mobile-phones-and-health-is-5G-being-rolled-out-too-fast

GreenGran78 Tue 02-Jul-19 14:32:58

I am firmly convinced that all the chemicals in our lives are damaging to our health. So many people seem to have allergies, and various 'conditions' compared to years ago. From the moment a baby is born they are in contact with every kind of synthetic imaginable. When I was little, everything was made of wood, cotton, wool - all natural.
Little can be done about it now, though.

M0nica Tue 02-Jul-19 14:38:28

Are you all still driving cars, walking in streets polluted by traffic? The incidence of illness and death including cancer and heart disease caused by everyday pollutants in the air all around us is many many times higher than the supposed damage by mobile homes.

I do not dismiss the need to investigate this matter, but I am more bothered about the risks that surround us and really do kill us or ruin our health. And, yes, I do still drive, but at least I have a sense of where 90% of the risk lies.

A long time ago there was a book called 'Parkinson's' Law where he propounded that the board of a company would argue afternoon about siting the bike shed while agreeing to build a nuclear plant in 10 minutes. yes, the example of the nuclear power station would not arise now. Let me replace it, with a factory making cars.

NanaMacGeek Tue 02-Jul-19 15:23:18

We've been taking advantage of microwave radiation for nearly 90 years. How long does it take to decide whether or not it is safe? No, I'm not concerned about 5G.

Afeica1 Tue 02-Jul-19 15:54:03

I'm absolutely against it. Below are a few links giving much more information than I could convey here.
The second link is rather long but well worth watching.

forbiddenknowledgetv.net/the-5g-dragnet/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+5G+Dragnet

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLVIbPtNrVo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2DSKl1ts0w

pinkquartz Tue 02-Jul-19 17:54:48

Monica I don't think it is a matter of saying one kind of pollution is worse than another, it is now a matter that our bodies are not designed to take on all the toxins it has to deal with and so many of us are ill, or just unwell. It is hard to pinpoint for some people but it is the total load of it all that is scary.
It is quite possible that 5G will break the immune systems of the most vulnerable. This includes babies and young children who have thinner skulls.
Also anyone already ill.
Toxic overload.

Eloethan Tue 02-Jul-19 18:07:04

Some of the people expressing serious concerns about the introduction of 5G spend too much time getting snippets of information from the internet, from which they make wild, and improperly substantiated, predictions. But along with the usual "knee jerk" alarmists, there are reputable, highly qualified scientific and medical experts who are very unhappy about the way 5G is being rolled out. Is it wise to just dismiss their views out of hand?

pinkquartz Tue 02-Jul-19 19:06:43

Do you mean me Eloethan? I am not sure.......I have read books and listened to podcasts. I have condensed my replies because I am ill and don't have much energy.
I am fearful for the babies and children because they don't have a choice.
If I cannot handle the energy/radiation of a mobile phone then I do wonder what it might be doing to a young brain.
By the time we find out it might be too late sadly.

How many people now have sleeping difficulties? memory problems? depressions? These are the kinds of changes likely to happen not a massive obvious cancers I think from what the research I have done.
Changes in the brain and the immune system will occur first.

It is now known that screens decrease Melatonin and children and young people are being affected. They don't sleep, or concentrate properly Their behaviour and moods are changed. So really it is already beginning with the tech we have.

People cannot say it is harmless because it already is harmful and this is the beginning. Yes that sounds a bit too dramatic but I do worry.

EllanVannin Tue 02-Jul-19 20:51:38

As we get older we can accept/expect the fact that our risk for cancer-related illnesses is increased------but for babies and children what's the answer to that ?

M0nica Tue 02-Jul-19 20:57:07

What is the question?

GabriellaG54 Tue 02-Jul-19 20:59:03

I always use the speaker on my mobile instead of having it clamped to my ear.

EllanVannin Tue 02-Jul-19 21:21:32

The question is why are babies and young children succumbing to this dreadful disease during their short lives on this earth ?

M0nica Tue 02-Jul-19 21:45:24

Babies and young children have never been cancer free. looking back to my childhood I can remember several children who had cancer, including toddlers.

Pollutants and livng conditions can also contribute to the incidence of cancer, but think back to the days when coal was burnt as a domestic fuel and provided nearly all our electricity. This kind of pollution has been controlled, but others - that from fuels now used for transport has replaced them.

Overall childhood mortality as well as adult has gone down dramatically. Instead of dying from infectious diseases, heart disease and a host of other illnesses we forget were once fatal, we are dying of illnesses like cancer and having more time and opportunity to develop cancers - and that applies as much to children as to adults.

Eloethan Tue 02-Jul-19 23:38:59

Pinkquartz No, I certainly wasn't referring to your comments. If I was directing my post to you I would have addressed it to you - which is what I generally do. I wouldn't want you to think I was getting at you.

I think this subject is a complicated one and is probably one that many of us do not have in-depth knowledge of - or perhaps any knowledge at all. I include myself in that, other the various things I've read and seen.

I have similar concerns to your own. I was pre-empting those who may well say that some internet footage on this subject is light on fact and heavy on hysteria. I think that is true of some of the stuff I've seen. However, I do feel uneasy that there has been very little coverage of the comments of scientists and doctors who question the wisdom of rolling out 5G without making a thorough assessment of risk. There has been much discussion of HuaWei/China, and of possible security risks but very little - if anything - about health.

I also don't buy the argument that the increased numbers of people suffering from cancer is due to people living longer. I have known so many relatively young people (well under 60) who have died from cancer and just as many who appear to be cured or are in remission. I think someone up-thread has already noted that the figures for younger people getting cancer are increasing.

Mcrc Wed 03-Jul-19 02:43:33

Have no idea of the concerns and really don't care. I am surprised that people survived the Middle Ages. I think all be oksmile

pinkquartz Wed 03-Jul-19 15:48:30

Eloethan thank you..... yes i feel and think much the same as you.
The issue is being underplayed. And under reported.

There was an article recently in the Guardian along the lines of 5G how cool is this? I made a comment about bees being affected and was very much laughed at and ridiculed. But I had been listening to a Doctor and Physicist podcast where he was fearful of what 5G will/may do to the natural world.

I also agree that including the number of elderly people with cancer is not the issue. It is the young un with those awful brain tumours and similar that has increased and is being hidden amongst other statistics.

the point is that no-one knows for certain until it is rolled out....which is the opening of Pandora's box and therefore too late if it is bad.

I am researching when I can for scientific research but have been told that steps have been taken to make research hard to find on google....by messing with the SEO thing. And that is why it is hard to find out real information.

EllanVannin Wed 03-Jul-19 16:06:34

When I worked on a sick children's ward in the 50's, there was no cancer.
Chronic whooping cough, smallpox, TB ( I had to be inoculated for both ) yellow jaundice and diabetes. They were mainly infectious diseases.