Is this the face of fascism?

the half that doesn't want Trump determining our future

But you are doing it now, GGM3.

It's interesting, because I bet you wouldn't have minded Obama determining our future.

I don't want ANY American president determining our future.

Why should they. We trade with the USA now, and our deals are NOT determined by Trump. In the future we will trade around the world with a number of countries.

It is very convenient for Remainers to use the odious Trump as a deterrent. He will remain just as odious when we leave the EU, but so what?

Macron is his pal, Merkel embraced him. They did so because diplomacy is the nature of the international game. We don't want to fall out with the USA, nor does the EU.

We will trade with the USA whoever is resident in the Whitehouse. We trade with China and many regimes where the head of state doesn't have a UK fan club.

Clearly escaped your notice,*Day6*, that we already trade with the countries you cite. On good terms. Terms that we will not get outside the EU. What is that you don't understand about trade negotiations? The weakest party has to make the largest concessions. The UK will be the weakest party in negotiations with the US and China. Reality will bite..

Economic migrants are not the same as refugees

I know.

Every country should have an immigration policy. I don't live in cloud cuckoo land.

Clearly escaped your notice,*Day6, that we already trade with the countries you cite*

It clearly escaped your reading skills MaisieD that I mentioned it. The gist of my posts, which you conveniently overlook, to point score, is that we do not have to like leaders in order to do business with firms/people in their counties.

You would have us believe that leaving the EU means we are in thrall to Trump, which is more ridiculous Remainer scaremongering.

It's a great big world you know and we deal with much of it now. In future we will do it without the strait-jacket of EU impositions, (costing us £39,000,000,000 a year) which has to be very good news. In the not too distant future, Trump will be yesterday's news and a new person will be in the White House. The President does not personally oversee business negotiations and trade with other countries. Trump doesn't, Obama didn't. The next one won't, but the truth remains, most countries in the world will not fall out with the USA. Why should we?

Love the emphasis on the the £39bn????

How much do we pay day6?

So once we’ve agreed that the figure we pay is £13bn we can then agree that as individuals we will pay a huge amount more if we don’t get a deal which includes a CU and SM.

I think in fact you are muddling yourself.

We have agreed on contracts which include infrastructure projects and other contracts, together with the pension liability of your friend Farage etc. This amounts to an agreed figure if £39bn. We could of course refuse to pay, but god knows what message that would send to the rest of 5h3 world.

We can’t be trusted to hour our contracts!!

^It's interesting, because I bet you wouldn't have minded Obama determining our future.^(Tue 16-Jul-19 14:20:52)

Of course, I would. Half of my family are American. If I wanted an American life I could have gone over there. I didn't because I have liked the life I have here. What a presumption on your part Day6.

You may not want Trump to influence our future and it is certainly not scientific but of the forums I am on and certainly of the one I study the great majority want exactly that. I was not and do not talk about you alone but the generality of leave voters.

We will trade with the USA but on their terms as we will not be coming from the position of strength the EU, currently, the second-largest economy has. That doesn't change whoever is there.

Johnson has assured us that we will be able to influence the meat market in the USA to conform to our standards.

What garbage that man speaks.

I can assure you that the sun will shine for the next six weeks Whitewave but that doesn't make it happen. Silly man.

The talk coming out of Brussels seems to indicate a very long negotiation period while we stay under all the rules. Interesting.

You would have us believe that leaving the EU means we are in thrall to Trump, which is more ridiculous Remainer scaremongering.

Trump = the USA, it is shorthand for 'the USA'. So, 'in thrall' to the USA

The USA wants to trade with us on far more advantageous terms than they do at present. They have already, months ago, set out their objectives for any deal they negotiate with the UK. It required all sorts of lowered standards. I posted it here on Gnet at the time but you Leavers don't seem to be able to take in factual information, even if it's straight from the horse's mouth. If we accepte lowered standards it will adversely affect our trade with EU member states because they will be suspicious of the standards of the goods they do take from us. And how many businesses will want, or be able, to produce their goods to two different standards: one for the EU and one for the USA?

I get my information from experienced trade negotiators. Where do you get yours from, Day6, that gives you the impression that the far smaller market that we can offer potential trade partners (as opposed to the huge EU market we're at present part of) will have any clout in the hardnosed world of trade negotiations?

This is not 'Remainer scaremongering'; this is the view of experts who know how trade negotiations work. People who are not blinded by Leavers' optimism and complete failure to face reality.

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There's an amusing twitter thread on trade negotiations here:

twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1151109788228628480

The man who started it is a former trade negotiator and now trains people in trade negotiation. He's Australian, so has no axe to grind about Brexit.

Power matters. So right

Sterling hitting the skids

Whatever makes you think those of us who see Trump as dangerous would have been happy to have a Obama telling us what to do. Polarised views ?

I wonder what Obama would have told us to do?

Any ideas anybody?

Maizie, thank you for 16:35:33. It should be prescribed on the NHS.

(It has now gone around the world with one Aussie included to assure me about the axe-grinding )

No Day6. The EU net contribution ( 2017 figures) is £8.1bn.

Obama was/is a gentleman of a high order. Trump isn’t fit to kiss his boots.

Well, we know what Obama advised us to do!! Otherwise we would be at the 'back of the queue' for trade talks.

True Whitewave. However, admiring Obama as Potus doesn’t equate to wanting him running the U.K. as day 6 suggests (I know, we agree on this, also I suspect that if Obama did make a suggestion, our pm would consider carefully. Unlike with Trump, who says he told Theresa May what to do and she ignored him. How very dare she!

We should have listened to President Obama who was a true friend of the UK.

^ How very dare she!^

The world respected Obama.

No one respects Trump

True iam but what a lovely man he is.

Why do people assume we want any US president to dictate to us? ( i.e. if we don't want Trump we must by default support Obama- don’t know where the logic is in that)