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Johnson’s Government

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Jul-19 16:33:05

I can imagine we will be horror struck as next week plays out. The cabinet will be a sight to behold.

growstuff Thu 25-Jul-19 18:59:35

What's Corbyn got to do with it? It's just a distraction. Didn't anybody ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right?

Anniebach Thu 25-Jul-19 19:04:43

Two wrongs do not Make a right which Is why I will not criticise what could be a lie whilst defending lies

lemongrove Thu 25-Jul-19 19:08:18

Exactly, if a politician says he can’t remember ( when he surely can) then he is evading the question. That could be Johnson or Corbyn ( who is a serial forgetter.)

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Jul-19 19:08:35

Some more incorrect information from Johnson.

At least this time around we are much more informed and absolutely know when he lies.

infacts.org/no-johnson-we-wont-have-39bn-if-we-crash-out/

MaizieD Thu 25-Jul-19 19:10:12

Annie is eaten up with hatred of Corbyn, growstuff. she likes to bring all converstations back to his iniquities. You'll get used to it.

On the other hand, she seems quite unbothered by this extreme rightwing attempt at a coup...

growstuff Thu 25-Jul-19 19:13:44

I assumed Anniebach is a rabid rightwinger. Have I got that wrong?

lemongrove Thu 25-Jul-19 19:14:44

Completely!

Fennel Thu 25-Jul-19 19:16:45

Come on Annie you've got to laugh grin.

suziewoozie Thu 25-Jul-19 19:18:17

When politicians of any party ‘can’t remember’ something which clearly has political significance I think it’s fair to be critical. Their actions as individuals surely stand or fall on the individual merits of the case and not by comparing them to someone else. If Jo Swinson ‘can’t remember’ something next week that it’s politically expedient to forget, I would be critical of her and would not say what about JC or what about BJ forgetting.

MaizieD Thu 25-Jul-19 19:19:01

From your link, WwMk2

Johnson’s rhetoric is based on a wrong assumption that the bill is a reward to the EU for a successful trade deal.

I think IN Facts are being very naive with that statement.

Johnson knows exactly what the money is for; he was a cabinet member of the government that negotiated it. He's deliberately misrepresenting it because he knows that it will stir up anti-EU feeling among the ignorant and ill informed..

Remember that Johnson is a stranger to the truth.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Jul-19 19:29:24

Yes maizie I absolutely agree. They are re-running the referendum pre- a GE, in the arrogant belief that the British people will still be gullible and stupid enough to believe all the lies told first time around.

Dominic Cummins is running the show just as he did last time.

Anniebach Thu 25-Jul-19 19:43:11

Applause Maizie ‘Corbyn and his iniquities’, at last a Corbinite who acknowledges he isn’t the second coming

MaizieD Thu 25-Jul-19 19:57:14

I think you've misread me, Annie

jura2 Thu 25-Jul-19 19:59:18

... and who is pulling Cummings strings ???

varian Thu 25-Jul-19 20:12:07

Boris Johnson has appointed his brother Jo Johnson as a government minister, despite him being a vocal opponent of Brexit.

Jo, who resigned in 2018 over Theresa May’s Brexit plan and has campaigned for a second referendum, will now be part of a government that wants to take the UK out of the EU by 31 October with or without a deal.

In June, Boris said all his cabinet ministers would have to sign up to leaving the EU with no deal if an agreement could not be reached by the end of October.

You would assume that would be a problem for a second referendum supporters like Jo, but apparently he takes after his brother when it comes to flip-flopping.

When you look back, Jo has had a pretty wild ride through the negotiation process - he's taken up pretty much every possible position at some point.

You could be forgiven for thinking he’s sold out his principles...

So does Jo still think leaving the EU with no deal would be bad for the UK? Or has his brother won him round to the idea?
Here’s what he said about Brexit last year:

And here’s how he started his letter announcing his resignation from May’s government:

Brexit has divided the country. It has divided political parties. And it has divided families too. Although I voted Remain, I have desperately wanted the government, in which I have been proud to serve, to make a success of Brexit: to reunite our country, our party and, yes, my family too.

At times, I believed this was possible. That’s why I voted to start the Article 50 process and for two years have backed the prime minister in her efforts to secure the best deal for the country. But it has become increasingly clear to me that the withdrawal agreement, which is being finalised in Brussels and Whitehall even as I write, will be a terrible mistake.

At least it isn’t dividing his family anymore...

However, while Jo has repeatedly warned of the “untold damage” no-deal would inflict on the country, he did leave a little room to manoeuvre in his resignation letter, when he wrote:

Yet for all its challenges and for all the real pain it would cause us as we adapt to new barriers to trade with our biggest market, we can ultimately survive these difficulties.

It's a reminder to always read the small print... it turns out Jo Johnson was never the Remain champion people wanted him to be.

( from the Independent)

Anniebach Thu 25-Jul-19 20:15:45

Really Maizie

You said -

Annie is eaten up with hatred of Corbyn, growstuff. she likes to bring all converstations back to his iniquities. You'll get used to it.

Urmstongran Thu 25-Jul-19 20:19:19

Boris you are a breath of fresh air. Nice to have a leader with a backbone.

jura2 Thu 25-Jul-19 20:30:13

a stiff unflexible backbone is the last thing you want in strong winds - Lao Tzu.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 25-Jul-19 20:54:06

I see Steve Baker has thrown a wobbly. Wasn’t offered a job that he thinks he was entitled to. So he’s watching from the backbenches as before.

Nandalot Thu 25-Jul-19 21:11:29

I see Johnson is starting to flood Facebook with ads
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/25/conservatives-tories-boris-johnson-campaign-messages-facebook-general-election
Gone are the days when we had limited party political broadcasts on the tv.
Apparently, because of the way the data works it will give them a way to target voters in a GE.

Lessismore Thu 25-Jul-19 21:16:43

here's a reminder of his back bone.

"On Bashar Al-Assad, Telegraph, March 2016
Hooray, I say. Bravo – and keep going."

"Orientals ... have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole"

"Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3"

Callistemon Thu 25-Jul-19 21:23:31

Oh no, nandalot
Not just a twittering POTUS, now a Bookface UK PM

Davidhs Thu 25-Jul-19 21:37:16

You ain’t seen nothing yet, we all know how the media was manipulated during the referendum, when BJ gets nothing from EU and is blocked by parliament he will call a GE.

He will use every dirty trick and manipulation to win, and probably succeed because any opposition is so inept, oh well at least it will be over quickly.

MaizieD Thu 25-Jul-19 21:43:48

Such a shame that May hadn't guts enough to do something about the subversion of democracy through the use of targeted ads on social media.

But then, a whole swathe of UK voters think that covert adverts and cheating are perfectly OK as long as they are the winners by it.

Lessismore Thu 25-Jul-19 21:45:21

Any Boris fans care to comment on the quotations?