Johnson’s Government

Day6- I have NO solution to offer. And that is probably because there isn't one.

But if people here or elsewhere make comments like 'No Deal = no problem' - then they will be challenged.

jura is not infact needed, as we have very very clever people sorting it out.

lessismore ??

they have not found a solution yet - and certainly not one that will respect the GFA, the EU or indeed, the USA. And they have only a few weeks to go- so we have to hope they are very very clever indeed.

Britain becomes a “third country” by default in terms of the relationship with the EU

OK.

This will drop the U.K. out of every single arrangement, pact and treaty, from tariffs, freedom of movement, foodstuffs and data

OK, that's known.

Specific deals with aviation, police and security will cease

OK

Every single element will then have to be re-agreed

But we already know this.

And you don't think arrangements like this and for all the above are not in hand?

Remember, our leaving creates headaches for EU member states too, who will NOT want to put up barriers against Britain, our tourism euros, our security services, and international cooperation regarding crime and terrorism. I imagine it is not going to be terribly difficult to engage on the same, mutually agreeable terms, if they are desirable for all parties. Why would anyone want to upset arrangements of mutual benefit? Only the spiteful would play games 'because we have left the EU.'

We leave a trading bloc, not a continent and in terms of international cooperation only the idiotic/dense would pull up the drawbridge.

The U.K. will default to WTO terms

We already know them and use them, as does the EU. That eventuality, if it happens, will already have been investigated and explored with WTO bodies.

We won't suddenly start floundering and panicking on November 1st, much as you'd like us to, for having the temerity to leave.

Managers prepare for all eventualities. You can rest assured the UK has specialist negotiators already dealing with issues that will need to be re-arranged. Brussels and EU member states will be doing the same.

I don't see enmity between the UK and the EU. We just want to work differently, outside the restrictive (and expensive) EU. We no longer want to be liable for the collapse of the unstable Euro either, to the tune of £200 billion, or more.

We will manage the impact. We wanted out, and we know the work which has to be done.

The Euro certainly looks a lot more stable than Sterling right now.

And the EU/UK border between Ireland and NI?

make comments like 'No Deal = no problem'

Which poster has written that?

I think we are all aware of the enormity of getting out of the EU. Look at the three years of useless wrangling we've had.

However, No Deal IS a bargaining chip with the EU which May stupidly gave away. Most political commentators agree she put the UK on the back foot from the beginning of negotiations.

We can post our views, but mostly we are regurgitating old arguments we have had since the referendum.

What I won't do is say it's all hopeless and become downbeat and defeated which is the Remainer stance.

Would you EVER join a club you couldn't leave?

No, me neither.

day6 that is the point.

We know absolutely that they are not in hand. Why? Because a no deal hasn’t happened.

Look at what the report by the EU committee says. They recognise absolutely that nothing will have been negotiated should there be a no deal.

It may be that you feel your income level can sustain the increase in prices or drug shortage. I suspect my family will be able to do so, but my concern is for those families who already have to use food banks, who income level means that they are 50% below the breadline and the 2.5million children who are in severe poverty.

Oh it is fine to call on the British bull dog spirit and suffer a little hardship for maybe at best a year or two but almost certainly for at least a decade or 30 years as admitted by Mogg. If however you are already below the breadline this may well push some families into destitution.

I for one would NEVER vote for such an outcome.

Neither would I vote knowing that jobs are going to disappear to Europe.

Imo I think it cruel and inhumane to vote knowing what will happen to these folk.

The House of Commons has reported this going further and worrying about poor nutrition.

Nothing convinces me that it is the right to inflict such things on folk.

GG13 .....it’s now reached the point where it’s not worth responding to posts on here hasn’t it?
I believe it’s all down to posters realising that leaving the EU is going to actually happen now.When May was PM, they could be forgiven for thinking it wasn’t at all likely, but all has changed since then.Also, both Parliament and the EU are growing weary of it and want to get it done, they know they have to.
It may be worth posting again in a few months ( or maybe not!)

Good bye then lemon

Toodle pip!

trust me lemon, you wont last 24 hours, never mind a few months.

Ah well! I expect it's relatively easy to create a new ID on this site. ;-)

Listening to my own MEP, the message from the EU is that they don't want the UK to leave, but their priority is to their own sovereign countries (as one would expect). They don't want to "get it over with" (sounds like a painful amputation) and are just getting on with business as usual and leaving the UK to make up to play its own games. That sounds like sensible adults leaving a wilful child to have a tantrum on its own by ignoring it and continuing their conversation.

Ah well! I expect it's relatively easy to create a new ID on this site. ;-)

She's not difficult to identify, new name or no. This is her second identity to my knowledge; instantly recognisable...

leopards - spots

Just what I was about to post, Jura, and if it was like that I think we would very soon see the return of The Troubles in N. Ireland.

How would the UK be liable for any collapse in the Euro? We're not in the Eurozone.

I think I have managed to post on the wrong thread so sorry for the non sequitur.

Having been alerted by a GN friend to the (dubious) comments on here, have to inform you that I am by no means leaving the site, just the plethora of Brexit/Johnson
Moaning threads, so no new identity/name needed or wanted.
I shall just enjoy the more life enhancing topics.?

Obviously not because you don't have an answer to our 'just get on with it' questions....

Who is your jolly chum Lemon?

so , to recap, no moaning, no politics for lemon now.

Having had a look around the site, I avoid the topics in which I have no interest or couldn't contribute, because I don't feel qualified to do so, so I'm sure lemongrove has made a wise decision. It seems this is one small area and the nature of the topics are bound to invite discussion on contentious issues. I guess it's not for everybody.

Exactly growstuff Wed 31-Jul-19 20:52:03
Ah well! I expect it's relatively easy to create a new ID on this site. ;-)

I think you are the old maryeliza and I claim my £5.
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Ah well! Never mind! You got that one wrong. Can I have the £5 instead?