Johnson’s Government

Pantglas1 I think that was sensible, nothing wrong with being prepared.

Yorath, thank you for this post. We could be deep in the EU economic mire if we remain.

Some months ago I read some of the pages (hundreds of them!) of May's withdrawal agreement and MANY financial experts warned after reading it that we would be liable for a failing Euro (a likely scenario - it's a precarious currency) and the UK would be expected to bail out the EU economy to the tune of hundreds of billions of our pounds.

"Unfortunately, thanks to successive UK Government decisions, being out of the Euro has not meant that the UK is exempt from financial liabilities for the EU’s attempt to create one currency for the whole of the European Union"

BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY

"Short layman’s summary of the Global Britain report
Many Eurozone countries have excessive public debt and their banks have huge non-performing loans"

"The Euro was a political project, not underpinned by sound principles required for a currency to work
20 years of the Euro have resulted in a black hole of €1 trillion"

Under Theresa May’s ‘deal’, we do not cease to be a shareholder in the European Central Bank and the European Investment Bank for at least 20 years

With a new Euro crisis pending, the UK could be called on to bail out all the countries who can’t pay

"The ‘transition period’ could cause the UK’s liability to rise from the current figure of £185bn to £394bn"

"Only a quick and clean Brexit on 31 October would prevent the UK’s liability rising by £209bn"

That alone is terrifying and probably the biggest reason why we ought to get out quickly. We have to be thankful we didn't adopt the Euro, but all the time we remain in the EU the fate of the currency of many member states is ours to worry about too - and rescue, if the worst happens.

There is no " ganging up". I have said I have reservations about the EU. Nobody is interested in the middle ground.

How silly....a gang of nasty Leavers.....

Good to know the armed forces can defend this sceptered isle...This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,--This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.”

Apologies to the Celts.

Mrs May had the most toxic job in decades endeavoring to get a "deal"and I doubt if Mr Johnson even tries, he wants a "no deal" it's as plain as the nose on his face

BUT - hasn't the EU indicated there is no more dealing to be done? I don't blame him for laying our cards on the table.

The EU has said take it or leave it. We'll see if that intransigence becomes the reason we have to leave the EU with No Deal.

May's WA has by now been ripped up I hope. It was unacceptable to the UK.

How hard is it going to be to untangle ourselves from the EU, leave and THEN do a deal which is mutually agreeable to both parties? We are sensibly preparing for No Deal. I imagine the EU is doing the same and has a raft of concessions and plans for its future dealings with UK businesses, otherwise it would be cutting the nose off to spite the face.

We have to play hard-ball. Johnson knows The Brexit Party is waiting in the wings, as do the Lib Dems and Labour should he fail to take us out of the EU.

I and millions of others are hoping he will do it. The indecision over Brexit has to end, even if Remainers don't like it.

So in view of the fact that not a single leaver on here has either the knowledge or guts to outline what will happen in the event if a no deal, I thought I would begin the education for them. I apologise if any leaver is aware what will actually happen, but your silence seems to indicate that you don’t

Ha ha. A fine example of Remainer imperiousness, sneering, belittling and 'knowing best'

Sore loser syndrome at its finest.

It's been interesting watching them pat each other on the back in their peevishness on this thread. It's almost like they are talking to themselves - when they are not trying to patronise the poor, uneducated Leaver, of course.

Funny sort of post day6

We have asked and asked what leavers think will be happening on November 1st in the event of no deal, but leavers have been deafening in their silence so one can only assume that you are clueless.

The fact that you haven’t challenged my post shows that I was right in my assumption.

And the EU won't renegotiate the WA. So where is he going to get a different deal from?

Well, you said it Maisie and I agree.

We cannot become a vassal state of the EU. May's WA was voted down by parliament. It means Johnson has very little room for manoeuvre, and one would hope (everyone of us?) he is now fighting for the UK and doing what he can for us.

All of us.

Most Remainers I know want to see an end in sight. Three of them own a business. After three years of futile negotiation we have to be able to say we are leaving on OUR terms. That indicates a No Deal.

It takes two to tango and the EU has said 'no more'.

WWMK2 what do,you think will happen on the 1/11/19 if there is no deal!

We have asked and asked what leavers think will be happening on November 1st in the event of no deal, but leavers have been deafening in their silence so one can only assume that you are clueless.

You can't help it, can you?

How about I put the same question to you, a Remainer?

YOU tell us what will happen on Nov 1st?

I imagine the abyss you see us falling into will appear? What does your crystal ball tell you Whitewave? I'd like to know.

You are setting yourself up as an oracle. I imagine the world will be plunged into darkness???

All I know is, if there is No Deal, and it's looking a likely outcome, the papers will be full of how the markets are faring and Remainer media will have us on full alert for a disastrous outcome. That can be predicted, given their performance over the last three years.

For most of us, there will be rejoicing.

And a period of adjustment. Naturally. Not an abyss in sight, either.

And the sun will continue to shine, well, perhaps not at the beginning of October, but it will remain the big ball of fire it always has been.

You can quote me, come the day.

Day6, I think you explain things extremely eloquently.

gg13 I have outlined it on previous posts.

Sigh - you haven’t read the posts have you?

Correction : Beginning of NOVEMBER.

WWMK2 it's not nice being asked the same thing over and over again is it?

Thank you GrannyGravy

I don’t mind being asked the same thing I can however unlike leavers answer the questions.

Sigh Whitewave - I have read 'em all.

Aside: "Cor blimey - I can read Guvnor!!!! Who'd have thought it, what wiv me voting Leave and all....?"

This thread became a bit of a Remainer echo chamber.

Life will carry on as normal for the electorate, the MPs and Civil Servants shall be extremely busy.

I haven't got second sight.

So, Whitewave, please tell us what will happen on November 1st 2019?

You tell us you have answers.

So in view of the fact that not a single leaver on here has either the knowledge or guts to outline what will happen in the event if a no deal, I thought I would begin the education for them. I apologise if any leaver is aware what will actually happen, but your silence seems to indicate that you don’t.

This is not particularly comprehensive, but it is a start.

November 1st 2019

Britain becomes a “third country” by default in terms of the relationship with the EU.
This will drop the U.K. out of every single arrangement, pact and treaty, from tariffs, freedom of movement, foodstuffs and data.
Specific deals with aviation, police and security will cease.

Every single element will then have to be re-agreed.

The U.K. will default to WTO terms.
Meat farmers will have an immediate tariff to pay of 40% of all exports to the EU.
All companies exporting to the EU will need to apply for Customs, excise and VAT procedures.
Delays due to border checks will have knock on effect for firms reliant on constant supplies of stream of supplies. This includes fresh food and components. 1000 lorries an hour pass through Dover alone.
Concern is high over the supply of medicine.

Whatever the U.K. government says there will be checks at the Irish border. Ireland has no choice if it wants to remain a member of the single market.

The U.K. will then have to start negotiating with the EU - involving just the same issues as before. But every single issue will be done separately.
There will be no buffer of a transition period.

flying very very low now

Some of us do read all the replies, wherever they come from and try and respond to the best of our ability, with a bit, sometimes a lot, of research.

If people reply in a way that indicates they do not take previous posts into account- or make sweeping statements which they are not prepared to explain- than no-one is tlking about the ability to read ...

I would like anyone on GN, Leaver, waverer or Remain, or anything else for that mattter- to explain what solution they have for the UK non EU border in NI, and the EU Irish border. So far, there has been no answer- and just shouting 'No Deal = no problem with border' just won't do.

Day 6, I think you may be a little overinvested in this conversation. Retire to your day bed with your trusty copy of Persuasion and a tincture.

Jura2 the EU has many borders with non EU Countries, they have found solutions, I can only hope the experts will be able to sort it out.

I would like anyone on GN, Leaver, waverer or Remain, or anything else for that mattter- to explain what solution they have for the UK non EU border in NI, and the EU Irish border

No Jura. I recognise it is a difficult issue.

However, we have elections and vote in politicians (who are paid a lot of money) to sort out problems and negotiate agreements. That's not a cop-out either.

I enjoy keeping abreast of political issues but to be honest, there aren't enough hours in the day to read the millions of views I could easily dig up on line regarding the 'backstop' issue. (None of them definitive either.)

Asking posters for answers - solutions to deeply difficult political issues - does not further the conversation. You don't have the anser, do you? We have opinions, that's all, depending on OUR reading (I am not reading remainer doom and gloom, tbh) and if you have answers Jura, I take my hat off to you, and would like to hear them.

I also suggest you get in touch with Brussels and Number Ten. You are urgently needed.

Of course they have solutions - they have borders, and checks, and border guards armed to the teeth, with dogs. They also have 24/7 road checks, on major and minor roads- and stops to check cars and lorries up to about 25 miles from border.

I live half a mile from one, and most of my neighbours are border guards, at the border, flying patrols, drônes, helicopters and in trains too. All lories have to stop, during working hours, and present documents to the Border Import/Export office, at official border points.

Can you see that happening on the Irish/NI border and region?