Johnson’s Government

So it s likely that Johnson’s majority will be down to 2 by September.

If the rumours are true there are a number of Tories are considering about jumping ship.

Either way Johnson’s majority is in severe jeopardy.

I presume brexcrement comments like “the swamp is draining itself” beyond disgusting - that presumes more than half of the population are part of a “swamp” to be drained. ( before I am jumped on for my comment thanks go to B Johnson)

Using such terms is fine providing you are supporting a hard right fascist type stance.

Urmstongran
an aid package like they gave to the Greeks
Of which the German banks have so far made over €3 billion profit.
I think the Republic are going to need all the help they can get now that the eu have done a deal with Mercosur ( the South America trading block)

I bet Boris has to call a GE and if he wants to ‘get Brexit done’ he needs to talk with Farage. A combined force will get it over the line.

Johnson won’t call a GE if he never becomes PM through his inability to form a government.

Presumably it will be the Queen who will by proroguing as there won’t be anyone who could command a majority, unless the Lab and Lib Dem’s form a coalition. But I think that highly unlikely.

A GE doesn’t resolve Brexit.

I agree petra and if Varadkar doesn’t help with a solution to trade between us and them, where will they sell their Irish beef now that the EU have done a deal to buy beef from South America? We are their second highest importers of it.

Time to talk.

petra Mon 22-Jul-19 13:03:02

Aren't you a good neo-capitalist Tory voting for Johnson? If so how can you argue against a healthy profit taken from people in need of a loan?

A general election will put new voices in the HoC and facilitate Brexit. In my opinion.

Many like Soubry, Yvette Cooper, Dominic Grieve will likely be deselected.

Parliament will have a whole new dynamic.

My comment about the ‘swamp’ was tongue in cheek!

You know what, Ug? I don't believe you for one single second. I think you really do think that. Fascist language seems to have become normalised these days. What a sh*t show we've been drawn into; just to keep the Tory party together..

Time to talk. [Mon 22-Jul-19 13:07:10]

You simply don't get it, do you? The EU is a rules-based organisation who have "interpreted" their rules as far as they can to meet the Tory red lines. Why do you think they are suddenly going to give all they have built up over decades. They certainly don't want to lose us but even more, they will not go outside their rules.

‘Healthy’ profit? Hahahaha! Wonder if Greece sees it that way?

They will. In my opinion.

GracesGranMK3
More assumptions on your part and way off the mark.
But if it makes you happy ( and I think you need some jollity in your life) keep on thinking that way. ?

I see the US is disowning the U.K. over the seizure of British tankers.

‘Healthy’ profit? Hahahaha! Wonder if Greece sees it that way? [Mon 22-Jul-19 13:11:43]

I am sure they don't but that is the neo-capitalism of Johnson and his ilk. They will screw you and me just as easily.

More assumptions on your part and way off the mark. [Mon 22-Jul-19 13:13:39]

I can only go on your posts petra. So what economic system do you want for our country?

Many like Soubry, Yvette Cooper, Dominic Grieve will likely be deselected

So that's how a democracy works is it? Getting rid of everyone you disagree with!
That is indeed fascist.

No fascist at all dragonfly the reality is their constituents now won’t vote for them so I expect they’ll know that already and either not apply or try for a Remain constituency.

But Urmston you are assuming that everyone wants Brexit. I can assure you there are just as many Remainers as Brexiteers and we would like to be represented. I sincerely hope that Yvette Cooper stays in parliament as she is the voice of reason and is probably one of the only ones who is not self -serving.
I am horrified that after a no deal Brexit we are going to do deals with a racist misogynist and are going to be plunged into deep recession.

Good grief.

Those who find the term " the swamp is draining itself ” is fascist/chilling/far right/disgusting are certainly being a tad disengenuous when they keep schtum at other times when similar or ' far worse ' terms/comments are made.

The fact is those Ministers who will refuse to serve in a Johnson Cabinet and have been vocal in their dislike of Johnson and also assume they will be removed in a Cabinet reshuffle, will obviously be making their Resignations prior to be given the boot. They are hardly going quietly, they are hardly going with dignity.

As for Alan Duncan resigning from his role as Foreign Minister / Minister of State for Europe and the Americas at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office, given the dangerous predicament this country is in with regards to Iran he has shown a degree of being self serving and maybe if Brexit and a dislike of Johnson is more important than doing his job maybe it is appropriate he has gone.

when they keep schtum at other times when similar or ' far worse ' terms/comments are made.

And which would those be UG?

Even if, as expected, Boris Johnson is elected leader of the Conservative party, it is by no means certain that he would automatically become PM.

When Theresa May goes to the palace to offer her resignation to the queen, HM will ask her who can command a majority in the HOC. It would only take a small number of Tory MPs to refuse to back BJ for it to be impossible for him to claim the support of the majority of the house.

This would very likely result in a general election, but there is another possible, albeit unlikely, scenario where someone else (not Jeremy Corbyn) can win cross party support and command a majority. If that happened TM would have to advise HM accordingly and that person (possibly Dominic Grieve or Yvette Cooper or, who knows, even the new Lib Dem leader) would be invited to form a government.

dragonfly46:
But Urmston you are assuming that everyone wants Brexit.

Yes, dragonfly, and this has been the assumption all along. There should have been cross party/cross remain-leave talks and consultations right from the beginning particularly since the referendum result was almost 50/50. Instead we have had constant references to ”the will of the people” and ”democracy demands that we deliver Brexit”. In my opinion there is not even a sliver of democracy in this whole Brexit saga. I also think there is a lot of fear among Brexiteers right now and fear is never a good bedfellow.

If neither Johnson not Corbyn can command enough of majority to form a government, the solution may be a coalition.

Perhaps some kind of compromise made up of proportionate executive members from opposing parties under a neutral "chair"?? I can't imagine any takers for THAT position.