Johnson’s Government

I believe what we are about to witness in the Conservative Party will be similar to what has been witnessed in the Labour Party for the last four years.

In the above, we now see Tory members of Parliament stating they will immediately attempt to bring down Boris Johnson should he become Prime Minister and Party leader, simply because his views do not fit with their political views, or in that, any section within the party.

There has been a democratic Ballot within the membership of the Conservative Party in line with the current rules of the organisation. Therefore, the election of the new leader should be accepted by all in the party, as that is true democracy.

As stated, in nearly four years of the Corbyn leadership of the Labour Party we have seen the continuous undermining of that leadership by Blairites and others who have never accepted his overwhelming election by the party rank and file membership. I have continually condemned that action in the Labour Party, and I feel that all should equally condemn similar action inside the Conservative Party.

The main priority must be to save the country from a disastrous no-deal brexit. A government of national unity could revoke Article 50, then consider how best to work together for a better future.

A second referendum should not be ruled out but should only happen when we can protect our democracy from foreign interference and the undue influence of vested interests.

If there was another vote to leave it should be incumbent on those politicians leading the leave campaign to exactly define what a realistic brexit would mean before Article 50 could be triggered again.

What has been proven over the last three years is that there has never been a majority for any single type of brexit and "cake and eat it brexit" was just a fantasy.

I don’t think us Brexiteers are fearful Greta
Try joyful (at last).
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Urmonstongran you are frightening in your wholesale adoption of the right wing trash you read. From 'draining the swamp" to gleeful hope of democratically elected remain supporting mp's losing their seats and of course yesterday's crass dismissal of anyone who has chosen to live overseas and dares to have an opinion contrary t yours. I once wondered how Brexit had happened, when I read the propaganda and think speak you trot out I understand how it happened. Also,tinkling laugh type comments saying you were only joking just don't cut it.

'Draining the Swamp' has a strange similarity to this:

We do not want to join this pile of manure. We are coming to shovel it out.

I'm sure someone will look it up...

“Draining the swamp” refers to people, “pile of manure “ to the Brexcrement idea and the way it’s been heading NOT to people - there’s the difference.

Many like Soubry, Yvette Cooper, Dominic Grieve will likely be deselected

the reality is their constituents now won’t vote for them

Ug If they are deselected it will be by a few hundred (or possibly less) local tory party members (Not really sure if Yvette Cooper is in danger of deselection; has Labour been infiltrated by Aaron Banks' entryists? I've only seen him encouraging Brexiters to join the tory pary)

Given that their constituency electorate will outnumber by a matter of thousands the activists who try to deselect them there could be a fair chance that they could still retain their seats if they stood as Independents or for another party. Or, that the new tory candidate doesn't manage to win the seat. Many constituents might be quite annoyed at having their MP replaced. I don't know why you imagine that a Brexit nominee will automatically win.

Well Gill57 I think your comment to gleeful hope of democratically elected remain supporting mp's losing their seats is exactly what their Leave voting constituents are praying for regards the shenanigans of their Remain MP’s!

The 'pile of manure' was a reference to members of a national parliament (not ours), crystaltipps

But the 'Leave voters' have to be a majority in the constituency, Ug. There is absolutely no guarantee that they will be. NOr, come a GE, that they will necessarily see Brexit as a priority. There are other rather important things to be considered in a GE.

Brexit nominees will sweep the board MaizieD in the Brexit heartlands - enough now of MP’s telling their constituents ‘it’s for your own good - I know better’. Leave voters have had 3 long years of being talked down to as if we are stupid/didn’t know what we voted for/didn’t vote to be poorer etc.

I think if we come out without a deal it will become apparent that the Brexiteers did not know what they voted for and what is more they do not care even if it means bringing the country down.
I am very scared of the extreme right wing government they are advocating where all those who have still some semblance or reason are booted out. Surely democracy is about having right, left and middle representing us. It is not about kicking those who do not agree with you out.
If this does happen in the Brexit heartlands that is another step on the downward trail along with Farage and his friend Donald Trump.

dragonfly46 read utmstongran latest post and weep. There is no consideration or acknowledgement of remain voters just cleansing of those who do not think her way. This was not what anyone voted for. No deal Brexit, economic catastrophe, dismissal of expert opinion,deselection of those who do not vote Brexit,praise for nasty scheming people like Farage who most sensible people can see through. Was this what any of you voted for when you ticked the box with high hopes of restoring sovereignty and taking back control? Wasn't on my ballot paper.

economic catastrophe, dismissal of expert opinion, deselection of those who do not vote Brexit, praise for nasty scheming people like Farage

Really?

Economic catastrophe?
No one has a crystal ball Gill57 and deals are there to be done.

Dismissal of expert opinion?
Remainers enjoy believing different experts to Leavers. There are, remember, clever people on both sides of the Brexit issue!

Deselection of some MP’s?
Hell yes! All those who triggered A50 then stood on their party manifestos to deliver it ... then did their darnedest to thwart it!

Nasty, scheming Farage?
Oh you mean the man who has, from day 1 remained true to his colours and is giving the referendum ‘winners’ (sorry I don’t like that term much but I can’t think of a better way to illustrate what I mean) exactly what they voted for in 2016.

To. Leave. The. EU.

Surely there must be 10's of thousands or 100's of decent folk who are not strident Remainers/Leavers. People going about their daily lives trying to do the right thing. The confused, the bored and the downright cheesed off. Who represents them?

Well the bored and the cheesed off probably won’t vote anyway. As in the referendum. Glastonbury was on. The young didn’t bother much.

The others? Well I’d say maybe listen to The manifestos and see if they chime.

But going off previous form, maybe not.....

No one is “winning”, everyone is loosing (apart from the wealthy elite).

The old are dying off though.

What is the evidence that young people weren't bothered and were too busy with Glastonbury?

64% of 18 to 25 year olds voted.

How can it be stated as fact that 64% of 18 to 25 year olds voted ?

The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.

The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.

So rather than ethnic cleansing, (or perhaps as well as from what I hear from some Leavers), we now have political cleansing being praised by some on here.

What on earth will we here suggested next?

Hear not here.

Such breathtaking arrogance of certain brexit fanatics who are constantly telling us what will happen- not what might happen or what they want to happen but what WILL happen. Incredible that in such uncertain times these brexit fanatics assume they know better than the rest of us!