Corbyn as caretaker

When we had the by election a few weeks ago the Libs called at my house, there were two members of the Labour Party canvassing, I said ‘why are you canvassing for the Libs?’, their
reply ‘Corbyn’.

Day6 in regard to your post-@18:05 today, we constantly witness members of this forum stating that they or others they know left the Labour Party when Jeremy Corbyn was elected as Leader. What those people tend to forget is that on the election of Corbyn as leader the Labour party membership went up by over four hundred thousand.

The strength of that activist movement and it's elected leader was demonstrated in the 2017 General Election when from a twenty point lead in the polls Theresa May lost her majority in Parliament with the Labour Party doing far better than any analyst had expected.

It will be for those activists and Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party to once again engage with that and bring about this time a "true" Labour government in Britain.

We shall see

Apologies, should be "that electorate" not just "that" in my post above.

What those people tend to forget is that on the election of Corbyn as leader the Labour party membership went up by over four hundred thousand

Yes. The £3 membership deal was an affordable winner, wasn't it, to those who liked the thought of a bit of anarchy in the UK or a Marxist revolution.

I wonder how many of those people were over the age of 30?

Not only that, support for Corbyn is waning. He is disliked by many. Read the message boards, not just here but elsewhere.

And the ‘I will pay off students fees’,

Day6, the average age of a Labour Party member I believe is 53 years of age (I stand to be corrected if anyone has actual audited figures).

At this very turbulent time in British politics, all else is speculation. It is what happens in the much expected forthcoming General Election that really matters.

Thinking about that again, perhaps what happens with the vote of no confidence and the setting up of a temporary government that is even more important for all of us in the coming weeks/days.

Day6 I'm 72 and joined the LP in order to vote for Corbyn, as did some of my friends. And I paid the full membership fee, as did they. And I don't think that any of us want anarchy or a Marxist revolution.

Dinahmo

Have you studied John McDonnell who would the UK Chancellor with regards to the question of anarchy and Marxism.

Let us have a vote of no concidence in this awful government. Then by all means let Corbyn try to demonstrate that he can command a majority in the HoC. Then, when that fails let someone less divisive see if they can get the support of a majority of MPs.

Corbyn said today he would do whatever might be necessary to prevent no deal. Let us assume he means it so he will, if necessary support someone else who can command a majority of MPs.

That is the test of the man. Is he just another liar, like Boris Johnson?, or will he be prepared to step back, support someone else who can stop a no deal, and in the process gain a huge amount of stature and respect from the British people?

If he did that it could even help him win the next general election.

So what do you think McDonnell plans to do if Labour got into power, POGS?

Round up all the rich and the intellectuals and send them off to a gulag to do an honest day's work and be re-educated? How will his Marxist and Anarchist beliefs be put into practice?

I'm sure he's taking note of our current government to learn how to run a coup....

Day6 £25 to vote in the leadership race. Get yer facts straight luv.

Grandad1943 Come the revolution!

In the question and answer session in Corby today, Jeremy Corbyn called for MPs' holidays to end and Parliament to be recalled. "Do we support the recall of Parliament? Yes indeed, I have made that very clear. We do support the recall of Parliament."

Number 10 made clear that this is not going to happen.

What is the Labour leader up to? It's summer after all. Most MPs are feet up beach side on their sun loungers!

The leader of the rebels Phil Hammond is away from London all week and David Gauke was last seen bobbing about in a swimming pool with an inflatable unicorn floating behind him.

The Labour leader must know that Parliament will never be recalled by a Government terrified of what nefarious means House of Commons speaker John Bercow will find to stop the UK leaving without a deal agreed with the European Union on October 31.

And he knows that hardly any Tory MPs (well, apart from Guto Bebb MP who is leaving Parliament) will want to support him to be Prime Minister.

Instead, Mr Corbyn is focusing on his plans for when Parliament returns on September 3. MPs say that the party has cancelled all leave for Labour MPs in the second week of September, raising speculation that he is planning a no confidence vote for that week.

If he had put the same time and energy during the referendum campaign, but no, he went on holiday and refused to take part in tv debates

Jo Swinson lied on the today programme about Corbyn taking a two week holiday but would not apologise.

But is there a kind of sense to the rather sad ploy? After all, a commitment to stopping Brexit is the LibDems’ sole credible selling point – isn’t it?

Well, not that big a commitment as it turns out, when you dig into it – at last on Ms Swinson’s personal part.

In May 2016 – the last full month of the Brexit referendum campaign – you’d expect any avid remainer to be talking about nothing but the importance and advantages of remaining in the EU. However. Jo Swinson’s Twitter feed for the month contains not one tweet mentioning the referendum – just one retweet of a call to register to vote.

By contrast, Jeremy Corbyn was in the middle of conducting a remain campaign that led centrist MP Angela Eagle to observe that it would have exhausted a man half his age.

During the 46-day EU referendum campaign, Corbyn:

• travelled 5,851 kilometres on referendum campaigns
• spoke at 15 remain rallies
• Sent 100 remain tweets that were shared 33,760 times
• appeared 120 times in the media
• appeared on Marr, Peston & The Last Leg

Corbyn also took part in a live, televised debate with an invited sky audience to argue for Labour’s remain position. The Labour leader sat in direct sunlight on a hot day but answered questions from the audience thoughtfully, calmly and in an informed fashion.

Of course, her record of supporting Tory austerity is another matter. On that, she does have a considerable list of activity – though one she clearly still wants us to forget. Swinson:

• warned against rises in the minimum wage
• defended Tory tribunal fees
• voted to scrap the EMA allowance for poor pupils
• voted for cuts in disability payments
• backed the hated Bedroom Tax
• voted to triple tuition fees
• voted to bomb several Muslim countries
• backed austerity throughout

That record is fully attested:

Jo Swinson career summary:

2010-2015: Voted with the Tories 849 times to create the atmosphere of resentment that lead to Brexit

2015-2017: Tweeted about weddings, shoes, cats & tea

2017-19: Blamed everyone else for the Brexit result

Well said Grany!

Interesting Grany - initially thought she was going to be the saviour of LD but after reading that, not so much.....

Excellent post Grany, sets the record straight on Jeremy Coybyns activity during the referendum campaign.

As for Jo Swinson, seems she has already gained a reputation for engaging her mouth before she engages her brain.

Cannot see the LibDems getting very far with her at the helm.

Again great post Grany.

I think really that Swinson seems too immature to hold the leadership post. The problem the LDs have had is that they have such a small pool of MPs to chose from.

AAhhh, all the above is just "Project Fear."

Oh, apologies someone has just informed me that all above in whitewaves and Granys lists comes from this governments own documents that have been leaked to the press.?

Good job that Jeremy Corbyn did not put out thse lists, otherwise it would have been denounced by some on this forum as extream leftwing Momentum/Marxist Labour Party propaganda intended to end democracy in this country for ever. ??

Blimey. As the saying goes ' you couldn' t make it up '

According to those who advocate a Unity Government and are Corbyn supporters think Jo Swinson is:-

1). A liar

2). Not an' avid ' Remainer

3) A Tory enabler.

4) For 2 years between 2015-2017: Tweeted about
weddings, shoes, cats & tea

5) Blamed everyone else for the Brexit result.

6). Engages her mouth before she engages her brain.

7) Lib Dems won' t get very far with her at the helm.

8). She is too immature to hold the leadership post.

9) She is Leader of the Lib Dems because they have
such a small pool of MPs to chose from.

Bloody hell if that is what Corbyn supporters and those in favour of a Unity Government think of the Lib Dems it proves their is no unity. It would be a sham 'Unity' Government.

The Disunity Government will still be fighting like cats in a sack, no end game they can agree on, they disagree over Article 50, Remain or Leave, negotiate don't negotiate, probably what questions would be on a 2nd Referendum etc.

The only thing missing is the Lib Dems will consistently refuse to accept the democratically voted for Refendum Result from 2016 to God knows when unless the result is to Remain in the EU. They won't ever accept a vote to Leave but call for a Refendum they may or may not respect and think that is holding the higher ground.

Corbyn sat in sunlight on a hot day for a life tv debate before an invited audience , it was on tv until the evening.

He refused to appear on all tv debates with the leaders of other parties. Not one of his alleged rallies were televised

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-corbyn-denies-went-holiday-8456594

POGS Jo Swinson has certainly not demonstrated a willingness to support a unity government.

What Grany set out are facts, not opinions. I don't pay much attention to the Lib Dems but JS has in the past come across to me as OK. Having read Grany's list, though, I realise I was sadly ignorant about JS's voting record. A key point for me, however, was that the Lib Dems were willing to join the Conservative Party and support its austerity programme. JS appears to be a prime example of that. This is not insulting or unfairly characterising her actions but is simply a statement of the facts.

It is easy for the Lib Dems to be united because there are so few of them and their main focus is to campaign to remain, on which they are all agreed.

A key point for me, however, was that the Lib Dems were willing to join the Conservative Party and support its austerity programme.

I'm getting very tired of hearing this particular trope. Most of the country 'supported' the tory austerity programme. It is the dominant economic theory, that the national budget is somehow like a household budget and that if the country has overspent it has to make cuts to get solvent again. Just about any one of you on here will support that theory, particularly if you are about to condemn Labour plans for investment in public services and infrastructure. Where is the money coming from you all demand, Labour will bankrupt the country.. Yet the tories can spend £billions on Brexit without a murmer from anyone

Although I think that anyone who supported austerity is misguided, because it was not economically sound, anything else would have had the media and the electorate throwing up their hands in horror at how profligate the government or the politician was being. Labour was proposing nothing much better in its 2015 manifesto.

So please stop condemning Swinson for it. Practically the whole country bought the myth. A great deal of the advanced economies still buy it.

Eloethan

I am not particularly arguing the ' facts' as you see them.

I am saying if these are the feelings of those who want Corbyn to be the Prime Minister of a Unity Government then don't be shallow and get into bed with them. The Lib Dems appear to offend greatly Corbyn supporters and those who advocate a Unity Government if the last few posts are reflective of Corbyn supporters.

Who is Corbyn pleading to to get a Unity Government if not the Lib Dems?

Why is he wasting his time trying to bring them on board and follow him as an unelected Unity Government Prime Minister?

Who do you and those who apparently dislike, hold such negative feelings about the Lib Dems think could make up the numbers required to form an unelected Unity Government?