Corbyn as caretaker

"Sorry, not very helpful GGMK3 I have not interrogated you, just asked how you see the way forward."

Varian, I have explained but your reasons for not being able to see what I am saying is simply because you don't want to. I cannot change how you chose to behave. I can choose not to be involved in a conversation with you, however.

GGMK3 I appreciate we are not of the same political alliance, but I also appreciate that you , like me want a solution to this "insolvable problem" .

GG13

You need to persuade a number of Conservatives to support Corbyn and several of those most likely to rebel have made it clear that they will not do that.

Varian

"so it would be much better to find another candidate to become a temporary PM such as Harriet Harman or Ken Clarke"
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The parties involved don't even agree as to what the outcome should be! Whether the ' unelected' Leader of the National Unity Government is Corbyn, Swinson, Clark or Harman it matters not a jot.

The Lib Dems and Greens want a 2nd Referendum but will not accept the result if the vote is to leave again. Very Liberal hence they are now the ' Oxymoron Party'.

The Lib Dems want to Revoke Article 50, others do not.

The Lib Dems /Greens want to Remain, Labour wants to renegotiate a deal.

The only agreement between them is to stop ' NO DEAL ' alongside hypocrisy and lacking in principle by accepting / enacting everything they have vociferously challenged others for doing.

It is kicking the can down the road.

I joined the lp before Corbyn and seen his dis loyal antics over the years. He is not a Democrat, never has been and that's the first prerequisite for me of any PM, temporary or not. Certainly I would prefer someone from the the LP with real integrity, however being pragmatic I think Ken Clarke would stand the best chance of gaining parliamentary support.

Only Corbyn can call a vote of no confidence, can't he? If there is and 'no confidence' wins, what happens then? I am assuming whoever takes over is expected to ask for a further extension so we don't fall into an ND.

So, I am wondering what we expect then. An election? A long extension? Revoking Article 50? If so on what basis? It could be to stop the whole thing or to regroup and put a proper choice back to the people at a set date.

The EU would want to know before we got an extension. The Queen would need to know before she could appoint someone to form a government.

How can this happen when they fight like cats in a sack and there is so little time.

I think they have to show Buck House how they can form a government. I wonder if it would be better if there was a Quartet of people standing just to get an extension on the time

I'm not thinking about what I or anyone else might want but what is possible.

POGS : 'It is kicking the can down the road.'

No it is not. This young chap says it well- just a bit older than my grandson. Agree 100%

From what is being stated in some sections of the press it would seem that pressure is being placed on Jeremy Corbyn not to place a motion of no confidence in this government before Parliment when it reassembles from its summer break in September.

The alternative being put forward would be to place a motion on the order paper that if carried would allow Backbench MPs to take control of the government agenda throughout Parliament and in that prevent a no-deal Brexit.

Similar to the above was attempted prior to Parliament adjourning for its summer recess in July, and the motion placed before the house by Ivett Cooper and Dominic Grieve did not gain a majority. It is very possible that such a motion would fail again I believe, and should that be the case only three weeks of Parliamentary time would then be available to stop a no-deal Brexit when Parliament Returns again following the Party Conference recess in September.

Therefore, when Parliament resembles in October only a successful motion of no Confidence quickly followed by the setting up of a temporary government would have any chance of stopping Britain "crashing out" of the European Union on October 31st.

It has to be remembered that even when a no-confidence vote is carried against the government, Boris Johnson would have two full weeks to attempt to set up an administration acceptable to Parliament before he has to resign.

Therefore, It may well be almost the last week of October before Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the opposition in Parliament is called to the palace and a request made by the monarch for him to try and form a minority government. In that eventuality, it would be a case of whatever administration Corbyn very rapidly put together having to be accepted by the House of Commons as a temporary government for there to be any chance of a no-deal Brexit being avoided

No "ifs" no "buts" would be the case I feel

It does all depend on a no-confidence vote being successful though Grandad. I feel no confidence myself in that being the case.

GracesGranMK3 Quote [ It does all depend on a no-confidence vote being successful though Grandad. I feel no confidence myself in that being the case.] End Quote.

That could well be the case GracesGranMK3, for should such a motion fail yet again then it would be "all over" I feel for preventing Britain crashing out of the European Union.

However, we can only hope that common sense will prevail where it has not prevailed previously.

What is the Government of Unity United on?

Can anybody tell me?

Other than wanting ' NO DEAL ' how are they ' united '?

What will the Government of Unity tell The EU?

We do but we don't want to Revoke Article 50, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't want to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't want to Remain in the EU, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't agree who should be the ' unelected' Leader, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't know if there will be a General Election and we will not be in power, depends who you talk to.

We do and we don't agree to abide by the result of another Referendum, depends who you talk to.

Hell, We do but we don't even agree we even respect each other as the name calling proves.

What happens to the running of the UK under a Government of Unity that does not / cannot agree as to how the UK should be run?

It would be a one trick pony government that does kick the fan down the road and probably even more confusing to the electorate in the UK and the EU.

Kicking the can down the road in perpetuity is I think the possibly the aim.

POGS, in regard to your above post @-15:06 that, the members of any temporary government formed should this shambles of a current government fall would not be required to agree on anything but one very salient point. That point would be to get the European Union to agree to an extension of Article Fifty and so in that avoiding Britain "crashing out" of the EU at the end of October with no-deal.

With that obtained, that temporary government would then call a general election and stand down.

The polices of all three main parties that are to be placed before the electorate in that General Election are laid out and have been discussed on this forum any number of times in recent weeks, especially the Labour Party policy in regard to a second referendum.

No point in having another referendum as the “Lib Dems” have stated that they will only respect a “remain” result.......?

Grandad

"That point would be to get the European Union to agree to an extension of Article Fifty and so in that avoiding Britain "crashing out" of the EU at the end of October with no-deal.

With that obtained, that temporary government would then call a general election and stand down. "
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Kicking the can down the road then!

Extending Article 50 is not what the political parties see as a final solution, it is a temporary fix.

In the Government of Unity the Lib Dems/Greens state they do not want ARTICLE 50 extended they want it REVOKED. They would go along with it for a while but what then?, How long before the same old, same old problems surface. How many more years of Westminster wrangling /shenanigans must we put up with?

It is wishful thinking to believe a Corbyn lead Government of Unity is United, it is anything but United but the bluster and bravado coming forth has been enough for some to believe in their dishonesty.

POGS, whatever the Lib Dems, Greens or any other political body state would be put to the test in a General Election that would follow the Extension of Article fifty by the Temporary Government.

So, POGS please explain how that is "kicking the can down the road" as you put it. Also, could you state how you view the present constitutional crisis being resolved if not through a Temporary government or backbenchers taking control of the Parliamentary order paper?

Perhaps POGS you would rather see Britain "crash out" of the European Union at the end of October with no-deal and all that would mean for the security of this nations food, drugs and fuel supplies. Perhaps I should add to that hundreds of thousands of jobs in manufacturing industries.

Grandad.

"So, POGS please explain how that is "kicking the can down the road" as you put it. Also, could you state how you view the present constitutional crisis being resolved if not through a Temporary government or backbenchers taking control of the Parliamentary order paper?"
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Extending Article 50 by a Government of Unity and then after a General Election the same arguments, the same calls to REVOKE Article 50 will surface and more months of wrangling will follow. That is kicking the can down the road.

How I view things is I voted to Remain by a thread. I accepted the Referendum as a democratic process and was willing to abide by the outcome either way. I have been disgusted at the name calling and political shenanigans on 'BOTH' sides of the argument. I like many others want a deal to be struck and pragmatism to come from ALL parties in the negotiations , Westminster, EU, Leave, Remain but there is a fat chance of that and September 3rd when Parliament resits I will no doubt hold the same view as the same backroom deals, squalid shenanigans will start all over again.

So to be honest I have not a bloody clue how it can be resolved in answer to your personal question to me.
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"Perhaps POGS you would rather see Britain "crash out" of the European Union at the end of October with no-deal and all that would mean for the security of this nations food, drugs and fuel supplies. Perhaps I should add to that hundreds of thousands of jobs in manufacturing industries."
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Perhaps POGS would NOT rather see Britain ' crash out' of the European Union at the end of October with no deal!

Nowhere on any thread has POGS said she believes in No Deal for the past 3/4 years.

At least you didn't blame for ' people dying' as I have been accused of on another thread but forgive me for saying it appears on several threads that it is the ' assumption' made by many, for no reason what so ever, that I want NO DEAL. Other than I ask questions, raise points that some don't like I wonder where this stems from.

I hope you had an enjoyable Bank Holiday.

So POGS, you are appalled and do not support it would seem any of the efforts that are being made by those trying to avoid Britain being brought to disastrous no-deal Brexit.

However, in that, you have no solutions to put forward of your own volition for others to dwell on and consider.

The above many would view as being criticism of a stance, without suggestion of how that stance could and should be changed

RosieLeah, you are in the wrong thread for Brexit to be forgotten, for that is what this thread is all about.

Mr Corbyn is not leader material and I am more than a little concerned by the recent Panorama programme about anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. In my opinion if the Labour Party does not change and start addressing the in-fighting, anti-Semitism and many other things that are allegedly going on they are finished. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in that party.

Fiachna56 in regard to your post @-22:36 (26/08/19) you speak of "the infighting and antisemitism" in the Labour party. However, the Labour Party being a Party of opposition, hence, any disagreement or Prejudice in that party does not damage the country.

Within the Tory party who are the party of government at this time, we see major disagreement and infighing to such an extent that it has brought this country into the largest political and constitutional crisis this nation has faced in more than seventy-five years.

Also, Islamophobia in the Tory party is in all probability far larger that antisemitism in the Labour party. However, the Tory executive will not even launch any kind of investigation into the widespread problem, despite countless media reports on the matter.

Just keep it all swept under the carpet.

Racism does damage the country

It does indeed - but all racism, not jsut the kind that seems to paticularly bother you personally. This is NOT a competition, all racism is bad, and all should be fought vigorously - but it seems to me that many who are shouting 'antisemitism' are quite 'happy' to ignore rampant Islamophobia in this Government, the Tory party overall, institutions, the work place and society at large.

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