Liberal Democrats

As many know, I have been massively annoyed and frustrated by JC's fence sitting. I joined the Lib Dems and was sure I would vote for them, but I have changed my mind. And for several reasons, none of which have to do with Jo's hairstyle or dress.

Now that JC has promised there would be a second Referendum- even if I do not believe he will be able to get a 'cake and eat it with unicorns' deal and it will be a waste of time- it is the best option as it shows willing to accept the results of the Referendum. I agree about his neutrality here.

But mainly, splitting the opposition to Johnson is likely to let them in again, and with a tiny or non working majority. A disaster. And I am NOT happy at all with Lib Dems readiness to work with him in this case.

I think Jo and the Lib Dems should realise now that they have NO chance- and will just split the vote. They should swallow pride and urgently seek to work with Labour to ensure Johnson is defeated.

Lastly, in my Constituency- voting tactically meant voting for Labour- and a Lib Dem vote would have been wasted. Never thought I'd vote Labour - but it is done and in the post in the morning.

SPLITTING THE VOTE AGAINST TORIES WITH OUR FPP SYSTEM - IS VERY DANGEROUS.

I quite understand * jura* that if you are voting in a constituency where the Labour Party is the only party able to defeat the Tories, you would vote Labour. I would ( reluctantly) do the same.

In our appallingly undemocratic FPTP electoral system, so many of us end up voting for the "lesser of two evils"

It should not be like that. If we had proportional representation, we could all vote positively for the party we like best, not negatively against the party we hate the most.

If by a slim chance LDems did reach No10 and cancelled Brexit, what do they think the 17m who supported it might do? Do they think they will roll over? Could we see riots similar to those in poll tax times?

Just wondering if they are a bit naive?

and do you think the millions- almost as many, who voted to Remain- + the millions more who did not vote and now realise it was a huge mistake - will roll over and accept the catastrophic consequences of No Deal? Just wondering if you are a bit naïve and taken in by the threats of Farage and Robinson.

Jura2 - that has made me laugh! Reality check, m'dear.

50 million people living in the UK never voted for this brexit nonsense and after three and a half year of the government ignoring us and pandering exclusively to the 17 million who were fooled by the leave liars, it is high time that the sensible majority were considered.

The 'sensible majority'? Are those the millions who were fooled by the remain liars?
I would never normally post something so nasty, but you need a dose of your own medicine.

The leave campaigners were proven to have lied. The lie on the bus was only one of many.

Just a moment Varian. There are only 46 million voters eligible to vote in the UK. That would include the 17 million who did vote to leave therefore your figures are incorrect. There are indeed 67 nearly 68 million people living in the UK but not all eligible to vote ie children, foreign nationals etc. So, where do you get your figures from? Do you really think that the adverts in the side of the bus was what made people vote out? Are remain voters really that daft? Some people are able to think outside the box; a lot of people are unable to think outside the box these days, not their fault, fault of work places, screwing down people because of being sued. The older generation have lived with the ideals of having to think on their feet so let’s not call them.

Everyone living in the UK, with the exception of a tiny number of billionaires and disaster capitalists, would be adversely affected if brexit is not stopped.

Alastair Campbell is with fellow ex-Labour Party member Luciana Berger, campaigning for the Liberal Democrats.

"Fascinating few hours with @schooltruth out canvassing for @lucianaberger in Finchley and Golders Green. I know @UKLabour second last time but the anti-Semitism and general views re Corbyn mean she is the best placed pro @peoplesvote_uk candidate"

twitter.com/campbellclaret/status/1198613073608814593?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Yes Varian, I understand what you think, but your numbers are completely incorrect. Therefore, I don’t really think that you can say about what is sensible and what is not. Leavers have their reasons and the majority like it or not voted out therefore I ask you again how can the Lib Dem’s cancel Brexit and ignore 17 million people and think there won’t be rioting on the Streets of the UK? Personally, I think Swinsons off her rocker.

My numbers are perfectly correct.

The only people who seem to have been counted by the Tories and their supporters in the media for the last three and a half years have been the 17m leave voters, some of whom are no longer with us and some of whom have changed their minds.

Every single one of the 67m people who live in this country would be affected by brexit and so it is high time that the 50m+ who never voted leave had some consideration.

The idea that we should continue to pander to the leave voters because if they don't get their own way they will riot, is absolutely outrageous.

Michael Heseltine, a former Conservative deputy prime minister, has said he cannot support Boris Johnson in the general election because the prime minister is pursuing an “utterly disastrous” policy that will make Britain poorer and less influential.

Lord Heseltine has called on voters to back the Liberal Democrats in the general election to deny Johnson a majority in parliament. The Tory grandee was suspended from the party in May when he said he would support the Lib Dems in the European elections.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “The real issue is what is at stake and it is the prosperity of this country, the world influence of this country, our relationship with our neighbours in Europe. This is transcendingly the overarching issue at stake in this election and I cannot vote or support people who are going to make the country poorer or less influential – full stop, end of story.”

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/26/michael-heseltine-calls-on-voters-to-back-lib-dems

There are plenty of people who would disagree with Michael Heseltine, it's just his opinion.

Liberal UnDemocrats - their former leader Paddy Ashdown declared in 2016 that the referendum result must be honoured, whatever that result might be.
I have seen the interview and can confirm this.
How they have changed their tune!

We have learned much since 2016 and one of the things we have discovered was that referendum was fraudulent, won by lies cheating and foriegn interference.

The only reason that it has not been annulled is that it was merely advisory.

No one should respect the result of that fraudulent referendum.

A few minutes watching this video could help everyone decide how to vote to stop brexit.

www.libdems.org.uk/brighter-future-video?utm_campaign=peb_vote_pledge_a&utm_medium=email&utm_source=libdems

I think you'll find most people don't want to stop Brexit. Let's just remind ourselves of the last national vote we had, the European Elections.

Apart from Scotland, most of England and Wales turned Brexit blue.

A pretty clear message that the country does not want to stop Brexit!

Not what the polls have said for a very long time

whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-a-second-eu-referendum-were-held-today-how-would-you-vote/?removed

Varian is clearly passionate about her party and good luck to her. I don’t however believe that you can ignore 17m just because they it suits which to the Lib Dem’s it does, yes, I agree many have passed away however don’t be naive, many have changed their mind from remain to leave or even vice versa.

I always like Michael Heseltine, I must admit, along with Ken Clarke I always thought they were Pm’s That we missed out upon with their many years of expertise.

I don't believe you can continue to ignore the 50m who never voted for this brexit nonsense. We have been ignored for too long.

Simply because there are not 50m as my previous post! There are 67m in the country. If 50m had been able to vote the result would have been clear but you have included children, people who didn’t register, those who didn’t bother to vote and foreigners who cannot vote. I really cannot understand why you keep banging on about 50m, it’s quite ridiculous and frankly you are making it up as you go along.

Everyone who lives in this country, including my grandchildren and my German friend who has worked here and paid taxes here for most of her life, absolutely everyone, all 67m have already paid a heavy price for this brexit nonsense, and will suffer more if it is not stopped.

Everyone matters, not just those who were able to vote in the fraudulent referendum.

Everyone matters, and that includes 50m who never voted leave.

Now Varian speaks for everyone in the country who didn't vote!
Get a grip. You have no idea what these people think or want.
You just keep repeating the same mantra over and over again which indicates a worrying obsession, especially as it seems to be popping up on every board on the forum, even threads not relating to politics.