Liberal Democrats

I do it claim to speak for everyone ( unlike the Tories who keep saying "Everyone just wants us to get brexit done").

What I know is true is that the leave vote has already damaged our country in many ways and unless we can stop brexit our future, the future of all 67m of us in the UK, will be irrevocably blighted by this folly .

Varian - that is just your opinion! You don't speak for those who voted Leave or for those who didn't vote. So stop claiming that you do!

I do not speak for everyone and have never claimed to ( in spite of typo in previous post) but I do believe that everyone matters, everyone, not just the 17m leave voters.

Sarah Wooliston is my sister MP, and she says she can't wait to vote her out. She stood on a manifesto promise of taking us out of the EU then refused to vote for this. The south West is generally a leave area and MP's who made leaving as hard as possible will not get an easy ride in the upcoming election. My sister thinks she will not keep her seat.

Let's just put these numbers straight:

46,500,001 people were eligible to vote of whom 33,551,983
voted (excluding spoilt papers)

leave voters
17,410,742 51.89%
remain voters
16,141,24148.11%

which means that eligible voters who did not vote leave are
29,089,259

Let's just put these numbers straight:

46,500,001 people were eligible to vote of whom 33,551,983
voted (excluding spoilt papers)

leave voters
17,410,742 (51.89%)
remain voters
16,141,241 (48.11%)

which means that eligible voters who did not vote leave are
29,089,259

Sorry, GN didn't like my initial formatting.

It is not just voters who matter. Everyone, including my grandchildren, matter and it is their future which is being threatened.

67 million people in the UK matter, not just 17 million leave voters.

You are implying that everyone who didn't vote leave would want to stay in the EU just because you say so. This is utter nonsense, you are just playing with figures and making them fit your own opinion.
People who don't vote, for whatever reason, do not count in the result. You will never know how they would vote or what they would want. Like everyone else in the UK they are obliged to abide by the results of a democratic voting system.

Same old, same old chestnut - so let's have another referendum, it's been more than 3 years now, we have more elections! - now that's democracy!

And what would that solve if the result came back the same? I suppose you'd want another one!

So according to your logic humpty, everyone who didn't vote would have voted to remain! Complete and utter bull***t. Using those same figures, I could argue that 30,358,760 voters didn't vote to remain! As *Chestnut" says, people who don't vote don't count. In which case, the majority voted for Brexit. It was a democratic vote, Leave won, and if we are a true democracy, then we should abide by it. Why have another referendum when we haven't honoured the results of the first??? Or do you just want to keep on having referendums until you get the result you want???

Opal don't know where you got that from - I simply reported numbers. Was that comment supposed to be addressed to varian?

Chestnut it's been a long time since the 2016 referendum, lots of dodgy dealings have been shown up, people would have a better-informed idea of what they would be voting for, and a lot of young people - who simple arithmetic tells us are going to be affected for much longer than any of us - would be able to vote this time around. So yes, I do think we should have another properly organised referendum with a minimum turnout and minimum winning margin - and I would be happy to abide by the result. In short, what JC is proposing.

There are several posters on here who would never accept a leave result no matter how many times it was voted for.
Now read Opal's last post again, which says it all really.
(now Varian will pop up saying it was a fraudulent referendum!)

Now Varian
If your German friend votes in a general election and does not hold a British passport then she is voting illegally. EU Nationals are only eligible to vote in local and EU elections NOT general elections or referendums. Please advise her of this.

That is one of the things that is a travesty of democracy. My German friend has lived and worked in this country for more than 25 years, she has paid taxes and taken a leading role as member of a British professional institute and gained recognition as a sportsperson, but like the other 3m EU citizens living here, she is not able to vote in general elections and could not take part in the fraudulent referendum.

Whatever happened to "No taxation without representation"?

17.4 million isn't 'the will of the people' if 16.1 million voted to remain and 29 million didn't vote which is why I get so angry when I'm included in 'the will of the people.

That’s not peculiar to Uk varian- I know British people who have lived and worked in Spain since the mid seventies who can’t vote in their national elections either.

My husband lived and worked in the UK for 30 years and was in the same situation. We now live in Portugal. I cannot vote in general elections or referendums here. It’s the law throughout the EU. I can vote in UK general elections and Referendums for 15 years after leaving the country after that that’s it no representation anywhere unless I change nationality. I have friends who live in NZ who voted in the Referendum and will also vote in the GE.... because they can.

I don’t think many people realise that the fate of EU workers in the UK also applies to UK workers and any others nationality that’s on the Freedom of movement bandwagon!

Self-employed switch sides to back Lib Dems at small business election debate. Liberal Democrat Sir Ed Davey, the party’s deputy leader, was the big winner of a hustings held in the City, with 54 per cent of the audience of more than 100 small business owners, investors and freelancers backing him at the end of a Question Time-style debate with political rivals.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/self-employed-back-lib-dems-by-landslide-at-entrepreneurs-election-debate-h0xzwf2vm

Those people who have died over the last three and a half years certainly don't count.

I'd be perfectly happy to accept the result of a new referendum of the people in the country NOW, especially as we all have a clearer idea of what Brexit actually means.

If we are a true democracy, we'd have another referendum to check what the majority of people want now more facts are known.

That's what democracy's about!

That's what democracy's about!
Just listen to yourself, saying democracy is about ignoring the result of the first referendum because I don't agree with it!

Democracy is also about truth and fairness. If a "democratic" decision is achieved by dishonesty and covert interference, it ceases to be democracy and becomes manipulation.