Liberal Democrats

If it is really "the will of the people" to take an irrevocable step, it will STILL be the will of the people after they have found out the implications of following that path.

There was just as much deceit on the remain side during the referendum. Remember Project Fear? There was immense pressure on voters to vote 'remain'. And yet despite all the terrifying propaganda being peddled they still voted to leave. I think that says it all.

So stop accusing the leave side of lying because the remain side were in my opinion much worse. Especially as taxpayers were forced to pay for remain propaganda in the form of that leaflet which came through our doors. Disgusting.

Here's an A to Z list of Brexit lies

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/list-of-brexit-lies

Poor Jo Swinson. Her big face on the side of the LD bus yet Beth Rigby deflated her (massive, hubristic ego) when she said ‘it seems that the public like you less the more they see of you’.

Ouch.

varian do you actually read other people's posts?
Because you just keep repeating the same old mantra ad nauseam.
How can you justify that remain leaflet that leave voters had to pay for?
That was misuse of taxpayers' money!
Not very honourable behaviour.

Why are leavers so terrified by the thought of a confirmatory repeat vote, that they must be confidently predicting will reveal that the majority of the electorate still want to leave in spite of the revelations of massive misrepresentation and the documentation of years of media wind-ups (humorous or aimed to deceive?) and which would clarify the current will of the people?

blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index/
tompride.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/see-20-years-of-fake-news-about-eu-by-uk-press-vote-for-your-favourite-here/

"The idea of Brexit as ‘taking back control’ is based on a misconception of global governance, and as a result, Brexit cannot provide its central promise – the UK’s increase in its own regulatory powers."

Brexit and misconceptions of governance The Uk in a changing Europe

I sense the Graun going a little colder on La Swinson.

Elegran - leavers are not terrified of another vote. It's the principle. We had a vote, we were told it was a once in a lifetime vote and that the Government would honour the result. We voted.
What terrifies me about the thought of another vote is if we had the same result. Another three years of arguments and whingeing by remainers! I couldn't stand it. Another vote will not resolve the situation if it is close. This nightmare will just go on forever.

Gosh, Urmstongran, your post of 12:02:25 makes it sound as though you have a problem with strong women, or women as leaders.

I don't believe that I have read one word from you about the massive, hubristic ego which Johnson totes everywhere he goes. On top of that, he has serious issues of integrity which make Jo Swinson's faults and inconsistencies pale into insignificance. This is not 'whataboutery', it is about apparent inconsistencies in your character assessments.

No GranE it was about Jo Swinson (me-me) in her delivery. That photo on the side of the bus compounded it.

Beth Rigby telling her what the polls were saying validated it.

Not anti-women at all.

You have to admit she was full of herself and it’s put voters off. She’s toned it down since.

Chestnut at the last election we were aware it was for a fixed 5 year term before we had another GE. Presumably in the interests of democracy and honour, you would say the election now called for 12th December must be abandoned. After all we haven't fully implemented the last one have we? Or are there hopes that people gasp may have changed their minds about which person they want for their MP?

janipat the result of the referendum has never been implemented at all, never mind 'fully implemented'.
I wish we weren't having a GE at all but Parliament was in deadlock. Ideally, we should have crashed out 6 months after the vote and by now (three years later) most of our problems would be sorted or on the way at least. As it is we are still in raging seas and no safe harbour yet in sight.

Sky News is hardly impartial. It is true that a survey showed that the more leave voters see of Jo Swinson the more they dislike her, because she gives a clear message they don't want to hear - that the UK would be better off in every way if we stop brexit. However the opposite is true of Remain voters - the more they see of Jo the more they like her and the Liberal Democrats.

The Liberal Democrats are the party of small business and enterprise, if an entrepreneurs’ election hustings held this week was anything to go by.

Sir Ed Davey, the party’s deputy leader, was the big winner of the event held in the City, with 54 per cent of the audience of more than 100 small business owners, investors and freelancers backing him at the end of a Question Time-style debate with political rivals.

His closest competition came from a beleaguered Liz Truss, the Conservative trade secretary, who was supported by only 24 per cent in the “exit poll”, down 12 points on their intitial vote

Ah Varian, have you found the answer to my question yet?
How can you justify that remain leaflet that leave voters had to pay for? That was misuse of taxpayers' money.

Chestnut: So stop accusing the leave side of lying because the remain side were in my opinion much worse. Especially as taxpayers were forced to pay for remain propaganda in the form of that leaflet which came through our doors. Disgusting.

Which leaflet are you referring to?

Jo and those around her decided she was going to be the next PM and I don't understand why they came to this conclusion?

I imagine it’s the one every household in uk received from the government to persuade us to remain in the EU - some people received more than one.

Chestnut, I agree, a general election was called to end the deadlock regarding not being able to implement Brexit or anything else to do with leaving the EU leaving more and more uncertainty. If people vote tactically, all they are voting for is more of the same. This will be the same people who moan about the MP’s not having any balls! Don’t be offended please on behalf of women, it bores me, just like the continual saga of Brexit.

I note Varian hasn’t come back regarding your reply as in fact she hasn’t come back regarding her German friend who despite being a top athlete etc etc not being able to vote. Guess she has never mixed with the general bog standard tax payer or those on benefits who cannot make ends meet. These type of people just make me think Class system idiots.

What utter jibberish!

The Institute for Fiscal Studies' have judged that neither the Tories or Labour have a credible plan for the economy.

Only the Liberal Democrats are being frank about your money and how we'd spend it.

twitter.com/LibDems/status/1200048864180539394?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Jibberish Varian? You certainly know about that and you sound like a party political broadcast. Believe what you want, it’s not jibberish and the Lib Dem’s were always known as Whets, still are too.

Watch the 17m riot, believe you me, they will.

CoolioC I'm in that figure and I'm not rioting. I'm just going to vote to try to end austerity.
So far as Swinson is concerned. I have had 3 leaflets from the Lib Dems and it seems like enough pictures of Swinson to wallpaper the loo. Her party really need to stop trying to make her a thing.
It only fact in the last one was a list of policies which both Labour and Lib Dem have pledged and a couple even the Tories have, with a cross against their names and a tick against the Lib Dems. Every leaflet they have put out has lied in one way or another. Not just promises that people are cynical about but actual dishonest statements of checkable facts. It is so unnecessary. They could just set out their policies without lying about the policies of the other parties.