Liberal Democrats

Just watched catch up of Piers Morgan owning Jo Swinson leader of the Liberal Democrat (and political flotsam) Party on GMB. "Are you going to apologise to all the students you impoverished by tripling student loans when you had a sniff of power?" Bring it on Piers.

Not that old chestnut! [yawn]

Tripling student fees didn't impoverish students, the vast majority of whom will never pay back the loans.

Student fees always were a middle class subsidy.

What has impoverished student sis the abolition of non-repayable grants by the Conservatives.

The current proposal to reduce the fees to £6,000, but extend the repayment period by five years will make universities poorer and mean that graduates have to pay back more.

Get your facts straight, Piers!

I am not a Liberal but paid particular attention to Swinson's words on if she was willing to enter into a coalition with either the CP or LP. Her words specifically excluded Johnson and Corbyn she did not exclude the parties.

Having said that the Liberal leaderships have led their party into coalition on two occasions with the CP and at following elections their party was decimated; I argue because their party voters are more anti -tory than they are pro-liberal.

In response to the nieve comment about no party would permit another to choose their party leader I would make two points:
1. Churchill was installed as PM under the insistence of the Labour Party, his own Party was against it.
2. There is no reason that the PM must be the leader of the largest party or even of any Party. All that is required is that they have the confidence of the commons and that they be invited by the Head of State, HRH, to attempt to form a government.

Jo Swinson sounds like a tinpot dictator. She does not like Brexit so she simply dismiss the democratic vote. She should not be allowed to call herself a democrat. She is a disgrace.

Jo Swinson sounds like a tinpot dictator. She does not like Brexit so she simply dismiss the democratic vote. She should not be allowed to call herself a democrat. She is a disgrace.

It's not just over Brexit either.

joswinson
has been shouted down by her own party members, as she defended the records of ex-Conservative MPs who have joined the party

Fed up of this, you can't bully everyone to think the same way, if the man had health concerns or Tim Farron had beliefs, they are human, if they are your MP don't vote for them, the thought mob bullies just put me off having sympathy for them, especially after the same mob is promoting medication that removes fertility of children, positioning themselves in regulators and positions of power like EHCR etc which encourages science denial along with putting boys in girls toilets, changing rooms and bedrooms at school. I am thinking Tim Farrons book may have had a point looking at the behavior of the mob.

Why does Jo Swinson upset you so much, newnanny? Are you a former LibDem voter who is disappointed in the direction of you party? Are you just trying to have a go at somebody from a different party?

Why do some of the elderly on GN say they won't vote for Corbyn the leader of the Labour Party? Thousands of younger people have joined the party, for the first time in their lives becoming enthused by politics. To want a better more equal fairer society. Labour's polices are transformative A green revolution that will create thousands of jobs. Save our NHS from privatisation properly fund it. And so many many more wonderful polices. You know where you stand with Labour look at their manifesto

The Lib Dems voted for all the awful austerity measures. And where is their green credentials, on fracking jo did not vote against fracking and accepted £14000 from a company involved with it. She wants to cull badgers, and another thing, can't remember now.

Labour is very clear on Brexit they want to bring people together leavers and remainers. So a Labour deal brought back to the people with remain as an option. Can't say fairer than that. Johnson wants no deal and Swinson wants remain. People are saying that Corbyn played a blinder got it right.

I know people can vote for who they want their choice I know who I will be voting for Labour for the many. And for my children and grandchild.

All wonderful things Grany, but how is it to be paid for, including all the re- nationalisation plans?!

But Labour policies are an investment in our country. We can't ignore climate change any longer, we need green policies which will bring good jobs, and people with good jobs pay more in taxation.
The NHS is a very efficient way to look after a nation's health, much cheaper than the US system.

If an MP in the House of Commons changes party, do they still sit in Parliament as an MP for their new party, or do they have to be elected to sit by their constituents?

I would never vote Labour whilst Corbyn or McDonnel run the party with their Marxist ideology and crackpot ideas. They are contemplating stopping parents giving more than £125k for each child in their lifetime. The majority of parents want to pass on any wealth they have amassed to their children upon their death.

They want to impose a garden tax for people with large gardens and now we see McDonnell is in favour of making BTL landlords sell their rental property to tenants at discount prices even if they don't want to sell.

I am a BT Landlord and has 6 BTL properties which we let to families for reasonable prices at under market rates. We live in house with large garden and would have to pay for BTL gardens too and we will want to leave more than £125 for each child and have not kept a list of what we have given them for uni, cars or house deposits etc.

3 reasons why I would never vote for Labour whilst they pursue these punitive policies.

Even if they did not have these policies they are terrible with fiscal policy and would just borrow borrow borrow getting country into more and more debt which is not fair on future generation.

Good point Jabberwok, Labour would also buy my shares at under market rate in order to re nationalise railways, post office, utility companies etc. Another reason not to vote for them ever.

Not just Jo Swinson growsome, basically any politician who refuses to carry out will of the majority of voters in referendum after PM saying it will be honored. Anyone who thinks they can just ignore voters is acting like a dictator and ignoring democracy.

McDonnell is in favour of making BTL landlords sell their rental property to tenants at discount prices even if they don't want to sell.

That's what Thatcher did to local councils. Forced them to sell their social housing at well under market rates. I suppose you thought that was Ok?

Especially as many of these former council houses have ended up in the hands of private landlords...

The money raised for the right to buy was supposed to be put back into social housing! Hardly Mrs T's fault when councils used the money for other purposes! I don't think she ever suggested taxing peoples gardens, even farmers land!, or compelling people to have to sell their own properties,bought with their own cash at discount rates to sitting tennants! Can't see that these measures are going to be vote winners!

Wrong again jabber When the Thatcher government brought in the jerrymandering "right to buy" legislation, which was designed to turn council tennants into Tory voters, Local Authorities were expressly forbidden fro using the proceeds to build more council houses.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan's former policing adviser Leroy Logan has quit Labour and has now joined the Lib Dems.

He will also become policing adviser to the Lib Dems' London mayoral candidate Siobhan Benita.

newgranny Be careful! Don't criticise Corbyn or McDonnell on gransnet forums - the grannies won't like it!.

Grany young people have joined the Labour Party, they never experienced the damage the far left has done.

As for McDonald’s crackpot idea of giving tenants in private
rental the right to buy after 3 years , a sure way to reduce houses for rent.

The arrogance of this wee pipsqueak politician!

She's the leader of a tiny slop bucket party of turncoats, liars, defectors and malcontents! All 18 of them.

Keep talking, lassie, you're turning a huge swathe of the country against you, you deluded hypocrite.

Oh, don't be so childish, Ug.

Just because you don't like what she and her party stand for it doesn't make its MPs anything like what your petty tirade says.

Playground insults from grown women aren't a good look...

^As for McDonald’s crackpot idea of giving tenants in private
rental the right to buy after 3 years , a sure way to reduce houses for rent^.

Errr... if the houses have been bought by their tenants then that means fewer people wanting to rent houses, doesn't it? And while these houses are still tenanted there still aren't actually enough to go round...

Of course, building more social housing as well would be a good idea, as we don't have enough housing in this country.

But all I can see here is private landlords squealing...

Just out of interest, how many party conferences is Chukka allowed to attend this year?

And landlords who bought houses to let will want to sell them at a reduced value ?