So he’s done it?

I cannot see how not following a democratic vote is just. I doubt this suspension will hold. I hope it does, anything to get us out. I am so fed up with bad losers not accepting a referenudum. They need to deal with what was democratically decided. It's a shame a lot didn't get out of bed to vote, perhaps they will next time.

jura2 they (MPs) have been debating for three years without any conclusion. They (MPs) agreed to leave EU in 31st October, this “hoo ha” is about 3 days????

Democratic vote? fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-referendum-advisory/

This country is not governed by referendums. It is governed by laws framed by representative democracy.

GG13 - you know very well it is about a lot more than that ;)
why do it, if it was just a bit of hooha about 3 days

Just in case this hasn’t alteady been posted, here’s a link to the new petition to try to stop Johnson proroguing Parliament

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/269157

(Apologies but 10 pages is a lot to trawl through to check)

652,715 signatures now

This country has now gone to the dogs! Where is democracy now??? Boris the dictator. I hate him and his b crew.

jura2 both sides of the house are playing games, I for one am totally fed up with it all.

Parliament asked for and agreed the extension to the WDA until 31/10, if they haven’t been able to sort it out in three years, an extension of three days to the suspension of Parliament due to party conferences and the Queens speech is not going to bring about a “light bulb moment” of cross bench agreement.

The UK businesses and citizens need closure, in or out (I am beyond caring to be totally honest), so they can move forward.

659, 599 now and moving fast.

You do realise that a petition means zilch in this case ... actually in most cases.

There seems to be among leave supporters on this thread a sense of celebration today. However, i feel that the day's developments have very much strengthened the prospects of a no-confidence motion placed before the House of Commons being met with success.

It would seem that even Margret Hodge and Margret Beckett both arch critics of Jeremy Corbyn are now stating they would support a motion such as the above.

However, i feel that the problem come about on the fall of this shambles of a government that should the administration resign and call a General Election that campaign would be taking place at the time Britain actually "crashed out" of the European Union.

It would then be very possible that should there be disruption in the supply chain in regard to food, fuel and drugs, parliament would not be in session to agree any emergency legislation that may be very necessary for that situation.

Whether forum members are in favour of leave or remain, l believe all should think on that circumstance.

totally disagree (fancy that, hey) - a petition means an awful lot- especially one that grows that fast. It won't get to Parliament (for all sorts of reasons- proroguing bing the main one) - but it will get to the Press, to TV, to people in the UK who are watching. The whole world is watching is disbelief and shock, btw. Listen to foreign news Channels and read the Press and see. The consensus is that we have overtaken Trump's USA in the stupidity stakes - first and great at last - at being gullible idiots. (tempted to use other words- but will keep it polite and clean). Cons indeed.

I think number 10 is actually hoping for a VONC Grandad
And what you forsee will come to pass, if the EU don’t hurry to get a deal with Johnson.

hip hip hooray, roll out the bunting and God save our gracious queen

before we fully knew and understand the disruption in supply chains, be it for industry, be it for medicines and isotopes, and so so much more - we could have agreed to disagree.

But now, we know, we understand - and if and when jobs are lost, people begin to not get the treatment they need (yes, including our grandchidren), and 1000s upon 1000s of cattle and sheep are culled, and so much more, like resurgence of violence in NI and trouble in Europe, and the takeover of our standards and regulations, and markets, by Trump and others - yes we will blame Brexiteers who were prepared to gamble it all for their outdated dinosaur pride in Ye Olde Empire.

Best news I’ve heard in ages.

Well done Boris.

Well it certainly looks highly likely that Johnson has succeeded where Hitler failed, he has guaranteed the demise of the United Kingdom also known as Great Britain
R.I.P.

lemongrove Quote [ I think number 10 is actually hoping for a VONC Grandad
And what you forsee will come to pass, if the EU don’t hurry to get a deal with Johnson.] End Quote.

So lemongrove, i take it you would be quite happy to witness severe shortages of food, fuel and drugs etc should Briain Crash out of the EU on the 31st October and Britain having no effective government at that time.

Remember all would suffer in such circumstance, but it is always the old, the very young, the sick and the most vulnerable that suffer the most at such times.

But of course the Brexiteer leaders and their followers care nothing for such persons in pursuit of their Brexit dream of taking back control.

And talking about the old - more and more posts on Remain sites, and expat sites- saying 'just cannot bear to talk to my mum, dad, parents anymore' - don't want them to visit, don't want to visit them - got to turn my back on their sick dinosaur imperialist (and for many 'racist' ) views.

Can't blame them.

At the time of the fraudulent referendum, more than 16 million British people voted Remain. Does anyone seriously claim that more than 16 million people voted for a no deal brexit?

More than 17 million people voted for BREXIT, irrespective of whether it was with a deal or not. I was one of them. I want out of the EU, as do the other 17 million. What is it about this that you do not understand????? Stop trying to split our vote into deal/no deal, WE ALL VOTED OUT!!!

The EU is not being intrasigeant- it is clear, and always was- that they cannot agree to a Deal that puts the UK, a leaving member, into a better position than its own members.

So from that statement, you must agree that there is a better position than remaining as a member of the EU? Which is what we (leavers) have been saying for the past three years!!!! Think you've shot yourself in the foot there

Oh Jura you are rolling out that stuff yet again, you said that ages ago.Just because some younger people are so fixated on staying in the EU that they turn their backs... literally, on their own parents/ grandparents doesn’t mean that everyone is doing so.
Thankfully, such stupid younger people are in the minority.
‘Sick dinosaur imperialist’ ...I mean honestly! Sounds exactly like social media more than real language in the real world.

Grandad to answer your point....I would rather we had a deal with the EU.We had a deal with them and Parliament voted against it three times.They have told us many times that a better deal is not on offer ( although it’s never over until it’s over!) The legal position, is, as you know ,that we will leave on 31st October without a deal, and if we don’t get one then we will leave...we have to, as our country cannot on go on in this way.There would be disruption, and perhaps shortages, but this would be resolved as time goes on.
Saying as you do ‘I take it that you would be quite happy to witness severe shortages etc’ is just (quite wrong ) speculation on your part.

jura2, in regard to your post @-19:41 today, there is also much criticism of the Queen now taking place that i have never witnessed prior to her being "dragged" into this debacle.

There has been criticism of the overall position of royalty in a modern Britain in the past. However, i have never witnessed the very harsh verbal attacks and criticism of her personality that are now taking place online and in workplaces such as ours today.

The Queen has always been a zenith of stability in a changing Britain throughout her sixty-seven-year reign, and to see that so besmirched for political gain i and my wife find very upsetting.

I feel that even amongst Johnsons own Conservative Party members today's events at Balmoral may have been a step too far by a very long way.

What will Boris hope to do now his prorogation request has been granted?

Perhaps he might hope to force Remainers to rush forward with their plans next week in a legislative controlled explosion, gambling that they either will fall flat on their face and leave him looking stronger, or succeed and give him the perfect excuse to then demand a “People vs Parliament” election.

Must say I have never been a Royalist and I felt strange indeed when I had to swear allegiance to HRH in 1973- not sure I'd do it now.

But I have grown to respect our Queen over the years, and see all the positive sides. Not keen on all the angers on, and they carry on. And yes, I have been shocked to read today the real attacks on HRH, that I have never seen before, and could never imagine. I do feel our Monarchy has been really damaged today, perhaps beyond repair, as had Democracy and the Great Britain we all loved.

Lemongrove- you can mock social media all your want- but it has been a real lifeline in so many ways to British immigrants in the EU- as the stress and anxiety of the unknown and the worry of losing all have been rising. And the feelings expressed are very real.