So he’s done it?

Curlywhirly - Great Britain did very well before joining the Common Market/EU and will do very when we leave. To bring in or in any way compare Hitler or what followed in that period of time to what's happening now is way out of line and so typical of how nasty and low Remainers go to try and force their will by any means possible. Yes there are uncertain times ahead but it is miniscule compared to what happened in the Holocaust. Regardless of what happens in the coming months and years, lets pull together and make it work and make a success of OUR country.

Sigh! I see you don't know much about history either Nanoftw. No, it's not way out of line, unless you truly have your head in the sand. Even if the holocaust had never happened, what Hitler did in 1933 resulted in democracy in Germany being destroyed. I assume you can understand that.

Did you ever see the videos taken in 1945 when the Germans realised what they had done by sitting back and doing nothing?

For the record, the UK was the "sick man of Europe" before it joined the Common Market. You have no idea whether the UK will even be OK. You really haven't!

Your judgment that I am somehow nasty and low leaves me speechless. Nasty and low to care about real democracy? I don't think so. Don't you ever dare expect me to go along with this willingly.

As far as I was concerned our country WAS a success prior to the referendum [other than years of imposed austerity cuts that is] so why do I have to pull together to make it a success again because of Brexit.And, imo it's brexiters that keep bringing up WWII, Dunkirk spirit etc. Even today Rees Mogg is saying the Queen shouldn't need to be evacuated because the Royal Family didn't leave London during WWII. We're being governed by fantasists and narcissists at the moment

The Referendum aside, Parliament (that so called bastion of democracy) voted for Article 50 to leave the EU. As such, the decision to leave was a democratic one. In order for that to happen, there has to be goodwill on all sides of the House to ensure that happens. As MP's could not agree, apart from Remain, just how do we get the will of the people and the will of Parliament met? I do think that HM shouldn't get flack for approving her PM's request because she is only there in name only and is not supposed to have great power. I don't like the idea of proroguing Parliament in principle but if it opens up a new dialogue with Europe which can bring about a deal that can be presented to the House, I think it could be a good move.
One thing I wonder is if any Leavers on here have actually changed their mind. We have a lot of Remainers who think they should have done but is it the case?

As I understand it, Parliament had to vote to approve the PM invoking A50. She was going to do it under Henry Vlll powers until the judgement in the Miller case forced her to go to Parliament for 'perrmission' to do so. Which is slightly different from parliament voting for A50.

(A rather arcane point, really. Sorry)

I don't think it will open up a new dialogue with the EU. The EU have been making contingency plans for No Deal for months. It's been quite amazing how it's brought the remaining 27 countries together. The UK just isn't that important to them.

If Johnson wants to reopen negotiations, he has to take something to the table. What's he going to take? The truth is he has nothing. Everything he says is bluster for a domestic audience.

I hardly think Granset is representative of the whole electorate. If those who voted leave are so confident that people haven't changed their mind, why have they been so against a second referendum?

This is all to do with a domestic agenda anyway. Leaving the EU just clears the way for really big changes, which I have a feeling many people won't like.

JRM needs to mug up on his history. One of my grandfathers worked for the Ministry of War Transport during WW2 and spent much of the war under Whitehall in very safe bunkers. He always reckoned he was safer than my grandmother, who spent her war in leafy Surrey. A direct hit on Buckingham Palace wouldn't have caused as much damage as bombing poorly built terraced houses in the East End or other targets.

Smileless doesn't apparently understand how Hitler took control in 1933. And Nanoftwo doesn't know much about history either. And JRM needs to mug up on his history.
Wow, we all obviously need a history lesson growstuff. And so the blatant condescension continues. It was amusing at first, but it's just becoming boring now. Change the record.

I voted to leave, my ballot paper never mentioned spending years negotiating how much we want to give away, or how much of our fishing grounds we want to sacrifice. We have seen the rubbish deals that the EU offer us, and all the rubbish we hear from people who don't want us to leave, making up lies about shortages of food medicines etc. I think that there will be some problems, ports for instance, only takes one bloke who wanted to stay in the EU to hold up lorries and cause chaos, but the problems won't be because we have left, but because there are too many people trying to force their views, the majority voted to leave, they didn't vote to sign up to new binding contracts before we even get out.

Grandad 1943, why should all the doom and gloom that remoaners spout in order to frighten people into thinking we should stay, be rebutted? Anyone with half a brain can see that its all speculation, fear mongering and lies, why don't you show us facts, 'leaked papers' are not facts just a double bluff.

Good work Ledbydonkeys exposing the lies-

Hi @MichaelGove, we’re driving round Surrey Heath today reminding your constituents what you thought about suspending parliament just a couple of months ago. (SOUND ON - watch till the end) t.co/mwoyP3irXq

Have you done your homework yet, Opal?

And this is what Michael Gove wrote. Are people claiming that Michael Gove was lying?

Has Michael Gove been spouting doom and gloom? How can anybody know who to believe?

Growstuff I can assure you I do not need a history lesson, we can all be armchair experts on history or anything else you care to think of, just Google it and voila, because of course, everything on the internet is true!! JRM should mug up on his history, pleeese. Labaik, why shouldn't we all pull together to make our country a great place. Funny how the Leavers are accused of harking back to the past but the Remainers on here are bringing up the past to desperately prove some point. Wasn't around to witness the Dunkirk spirit but yes, what's wrong with pulling together to make things work. Rather than sulk and be disruptive just so you can say, told you so. What's wrong with having a positive outlook, rather than a negative one. You have my pity.

“Pulling together to make things” work was fine in wartime when we had no choice but to deliberately harm a country and its economy, no thanks leavers can have it all to themselves.

“We” didn’t vote to leave with a deal either growstuff in fact I cannot remember deal or no deal being on the ballot paper.

I voted remain btw . Just saying .

Every other country on the planet thinks we in the UK are nuts, but still the mass delusion persists.

Leavers are exclaiming, in the words of the proud but deluded mother at the cadets' passing-out parade. "Just look at them all, marching to the same beat! Every one of them out of step except our Johnny!"

It was announced on ITV breakfast news that UK and EU negotiators are going to meet at least twice a week every week up until 31/10/19 to re-negotiate WDA.

At last the EU has realised we intend to leave, now the real negotiations shall take place!!!!

Seems Remainer MPs, assisted by Commons Speaker John Bercow are expected to make a bid for an emergency law that would require Boris to seek an extension of Britain's leaving date beyond October 31.

A string of Tory MPs yesterday indicated they were ready to join forces with Jeremy Corbyn to force through the move – including David Gauke, Guto Bebb, Richard Harrington and Kenneth Clarke. (the ‘Gaukeward Squad’)

However, a government source said: 'One of Theresa May's big mistakes was to continue playing by Queensberry Rules while Bercow and the Remainers spent months tearing up the rulebook. We are not going to make the same mistake.'

Battle plans drawn up in Downing Street include a number of extraordinary tactics, including asking Eurosceptic peers to talk out the legislation in the Lords and delaying a request for Royal Assent, preventing it becoming law before Parliament is suspended next month.

Boris has also requested legal advice on whether his constitutional right to conduct international negotiations on behalf of the Queen would overrule any law passed by MPs.

This time around, it seems the gloves are off. Leaks and plotting on both sides.

Boris says definitely no request for an extension of talks.

63 days ....

It is interesting to compare the Tory prime ministers, as they come along with such regularity.

We are now watching with either awe or disgust at the latest debacle as Johnson has declared the prorogation for the longest time since 1945.

The mendacity of the man and and cowardice is easy to define when comparing to the previous Tory PM May.

Week after week she stood pleading with parliament to accept her WA but traitors like Johnson joined forces with the opposition and consistently voted her WA down.

May was utterly ineffectual in persuading the HoC to her cause, but no one could accuse her of cowardice or mendacity.

Johnson treated May like something on your shoe. Week after week he refused to support her and listened as her party ridiculed and criticised her.

Johnson lacks the guts shown by May to do the same. He knows that he has no majority for his intention of no deal, (he has yet to come up with any semblance of a plan) so he has done something no thinking person or someone with a high degree of integrity would do, he has by proroguing admitted the fact that there is a democratic majority against no deal both in parliament and the country at large. He hasn’t the guts to face parliament down nor to present and argue his case.

There is even a bigger majority against prorogation.

Indeed GG13 I’ve just read that too.

Seems the threat of being able to ‘walk away from a bad deal’ this time around is focusing minds all round.

That can only be good for everyone surely?

I see this plotting differently WWmk2 He hasn’t the guts to face parliament down nor to present and argue his case.

Boris is no coward. He is a great tactician here.

He is HOPING to rile Corbyn to push for a VONC soon. I think a GE (with a stonking majority this time for the Conservatives as the populace trust him to ‘get this done’) will be his plan.

Boris knows right now he is in the ascendency and can swerve some voters from the Brexit Party providing he stays strong and keeps up the pressure.

Oliver Letwin was on the Today pogramme just now. I was half asleep but John Humphrys seemed to think his plan would scupper Boris's plan (if that's what it is) of frightening the EU into co-operating a bit more fully.

Like I say, I was half asleep.