So he’s done it?

growstuff Quote [ Nope, you added the last bits POGS.] End Quote

growstuff, Briliant. ?

I asked for that to be fair.

Seems to me POGS that you've just demonstrated my point. I didn't say any of those things, I suggested that there had been much misinformation and outright corruption that had come to light and that this might well lead to a different conclusion for those who had voted in the first referendum. I didn't say anyone was thick, nor did I even mention Remain or Leave.

I suggested that people might calm down and think beyond knee jerk reaction. THINK, got it?

"It is alarming that the original information, or misinformation, on which people voted has been compounded by further lies and corruption yet so many approach with closed minds. I think that is because underneath lies British xenophobia and racism, built on years if not centuries, of isolation and insensitivity to others. So much Leavers argument is based on rhetoric, hatred of Europe and small mindedness."
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Clear to me.

" I didn't say anyone was thick, nor did I even mention Remain or Leave.'
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I didn' t say ' you' called Leavers thick. That is another commonly used term however we see on Gransnet alongside the comments you used such as xenophobia and racism when some posters speak of Leavers. .

As for saying ' nor did I even mention Remain or Leave.' who were talking about?

Is your post a comment on those who voted to Remain?

Do you think there are any Leavers on here who might want to leave because they have racist views?

No, because their posts are deleted in the hope nobody notices them.

Yes, remainers keep stressing, in one form or another,

Leavers believed in misinformation, have closed minds, are xenophobic, racists, insensitive to others, hate Europe and are small minded

You forgot thick, uneducated, Brexshitters, Little Englanders, get their information from right wing papers

3 years on and the record is stuck in the same groove

It is POGS I completely agree. I don't think there is a Leaver around who joins in with on line discussion who hasn't been belittled or had their intelligence and integrity insulted by those who want to remain tied to the EU.

I wonder if those Remainers who typify all that nastiness have any idea how peevish and rather frenzied they look to others? ( I agree, many Remainers are fair and do not resort to insulting the voters who in winning democratically, by a majority wanted the UK to leave the EU)

grow that’s true but there are a few I remember. They hide it well. My concern is if the hard right win the GE then nothing will stop them.

I see SirChenjin is resorting to name calling. No surprises there.

No, I have not come across a racist Leaver on GN. Have you? Are you prepared to call them out?

I have come across those who use that hackneyed old line to try and score points though.

Desperate measures? "Call them all racist. They hate that" Do carry on, but it says far more about you than anyone else if you resort to those tactics.

I wonder if smearing innocent people as 'racist' is against GN T&Cs? Perhaps it should be.

day6 I call racists out every single time and their posts always get zapped, so there is no question that they are racist.

It is POGS I completely agree. I don't think there is a Leaver around who joins in with on line discussion who hasn't been belittled or had their intelligence and integrity insulted by those who want to remain tied to the EU

er no.

How about you Leavers answering some of the serious questions put to you because you never do.

Oh, and I've suddenly been struck by what my mother used to say: if the cap fits, wear it.

Before Article 50 was invoked it should have been incumbent on the leavers to agree a form of brexit and then they might have been able to start negotiations.

I suspect that this was never done because there were so many versions of brexit, from "leave but keep close to the EU" to "leave the single market but stay in the customs union" to "Norway or Canada" to "leave do or die" to "No deal WTO" to "have cake and eat it " to "unicorns prancing about on the sunlit uplands" to "leave means leave" (ie I've no idea what leave means because I don't know the first thing about the EU) to "just lets get rid of all the foreigners" to "I voted Leave because I always believe what I read in the Daily Express/ Sun/ Mail and vote the way they tell me" etc etc.

The Remainers on the other hand were clear that we should remain in the EU because we have prospered as an EU member country and it is obvious we could never get a better deal outside of the EU than the one we have now.

When Article 50 was invoked the vast majority of MPs, except a small group called the ERG, did so on the basis of getting a good "leave" deal. We all know the history of what happened from there. From May's Red Lines, required to keep even the extremists on board, because of her small majority, to the Brexit election where she had it made very clear that the country did not want her extremes, May continued putting party before country until the very people she had tried to please kicked her out. We now have a PM who has not been tested by an election allowing a completely unelected Spad to take over the reigns and usurp the powers of parliament.

Although MPs could have revoked Article 50 at any time it appears that finally some Tories have had enough of us taking the country to the brink of disaster. We can now only hope they will do the right thing.

Can somebody explain to me the point of the Queen in a democracy ( except as a tourist attraction)? I feel sorry for her having to collude with such people as the Trumps & Boris Johnson. She has to paste on a smile for them but must grind her teeth to stumps after they've departed.

Her eyes were quite twinkly when she was smiling at Trump. She appeared to genuinely like him! Perhaps because his mother was Scottish. Who knows? Why assume she was ‘grinding her teeth’!

I bet Boris was a breath of fresh air when he visited the Queen, she'd be cringing if she had to deal with Comrade Corbyn.

Oh varian if you really didn’t I don't know the first thing about the EU how come you voted at all in the referendum - either to leave OR remain?

What if the E.U. was corrupt? Or refused to have their accounts audited?

As some posters on here are fond of saying ‘you didn’t know what you were voting for!’.

Sorry varianmy mistake.

You weren’t expressing your ignorance. You were assuming (again) that of some Leavers.

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I have only stated that there were many types of leave voters, some imaging brexit would mean different things and yes, believe it or not, " leave means leave" (ie I've no idea what leave means because I don't know the first thing about the EU)

I know this because I've met them, This is not a statement about all or most leave voters, just a statement of fact.

twinkly eyes due to meds.

What if the E.U. was corrupt? Or refused to have their accounts audited?

Not this one again!

The EU has not refused to have their accounts audited. They are audited every year.

There is some controversy about whether or not the accounts have been 'signed off' but they have undoubtedly been audited every year.

Suggest you read these Full Fact articles, Ug

fullfact.org/europe/eu-accounts-signed-subject-errors/

fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

Then please give me an example of an International organisation which is totally uncorrupt...

Is this the ridiculousness we are going to get for the next weeks UG. It was obvious that Varian was not talking about herself and you didn't even raise a chuckle with your rudeness.

This time is incredibly important for our country and you joke and make light of things. Sometimes people are very disappointing.

Oh GGMk3 you can be so po-faced. You are not the judge of how much people care. Stop being such a bleeding hear.