So he’s done it?

I haven't seen this before but it looks genuine. This is the sort of 'information' that people were given prior to the referendum...

It is genuine

Thank you; I have kept all the leaflets I received but didn't have that one.

These are the reasons why I cannot accept the result of the referendum.

I can't either. Either people were taken in by it all OR they didn't believe it and knew perfectly well what the outcome would be and didn't care. They can't have it both ways, which is probably why they can't explain the discrepancies.

Or I’m just an optimist WWmk2!!

It takes 2 to tango. If the E.U. want to be intransigent (they are perfectly entitled to be so) then what are we to do? I’m so happy that we can (again) just walk away if necessary.

Without No Deal as a bargaining chip we are not negotiating. We are pleading!

And your solution to the Irish problem is?

If no deal brexit is not stopped we'll be pleading for deals for the foreseeable future, from the EU and the rest of the world and they'd all have us over a barrel.

Being optimistic could never change that.

'No Deal' isn't any use as a 'bargaining chip'. The EU are prepared for it and it will be far less of a problem for them than it will be for the UK. They won't be the ones out in the cold with no trade agreements.

FGS MP's have had three long weary years discussing Brexit! What on earth is there left to discuss that hasn't been chewed over and spat out God knows how many times! There is no deal to be had because MP's have no intention of passing any deal, even if it came from the almighty himself, because what they want is to remain! In order to do this they've tried every thing possible to frustrate any possibility of an orderly brexit! How much better it might have been not to pretend to honour the result of the referendum, even to the point of voting for it, and going into a GE on the back of delivering it (!!!) Surely that is just a tiny bit dishonest?!! Then only people to blame for where we are, are MP's themselves for leading people by the nose again and again, by pretending to honour 'democracy ', which they had absolutely no intention of doing from day1! Accusing Boris?!! Well, it takes one to know one!!!

The EU is not being intransigent UG. It is just refusing to break its rules which we have always been totally aware of. Why on this earth do you believe it should?

MPs have no intention of passing 'no deal' either. Soundly rejected by them earlier this year.

Only some 20% of the electorate support 'no deal' and even then it's questionable as we know from polling that some people think that 'no deal' means we stay in the EU. Where's the democracy in trying to force that through?

The the Great Johnson is beginning to make mistakes and is having to back down on freedom of movement ending on October 31st.

He is such a pratt in the tradition of all the Great Tory Pratts of the past. Politics is fundamentally about people. He has been very happy to use them but not able to consider them. As in life, so in politics it seems.

I'll leave this here:

Start

"Which would be your preferred #Brexit outcome?"

Remain in EU 40%
Leave with deal 34%
Leave without deal 19%

Cons:
Leave w deal 49%
Leave no deal 30%
Remain 18%

Lab:
Remain 61%
Leave w deal 22%
Leave no deal 12%

@Survation
Aug 30

End

gg3 so true.

The Irish problem.
Some experts say it’s been ‘bigged up’ to suit the circumstances.
Time will tell.

I agree the E.U. need to present a united front. It’s in their best interests.

However we would like to leave, please.

No deal? Nothing doing? Are you sure E.U.??

Okay. That’s a shame.

Toodle pip.

Jabberwok There are hundreds (if not thousands) of pieces of legislation which need to be negotiated before there can be an orderly exit. The EU has been preparing for all contingencies. The UK hasn't.

This has never been about winning some imaginary war, however some politicians like to portray it. It should have been about finding the best solution for the UK, making concessions where necessary, which has been an almost impossible task, given that those who voted to leave don't appear to agree about what they actually do want.

Michael Gove, asked on the BBC’s Andrew Marr show whether the government would abide by any legislation passed by lawmakers opposed to its strategy of not ruling out a no-deal Brexit, said “lets see what the legislation says”.

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-gove/gove-says-government-will-look-at-any-no-deal-brexit-legislation-idUKKCN1VM14C

I watched Andrew Marr's interview with Gove this morning. It followed his interview with Starmer who answered the questions in a measured way, explaining that legislation would be initiated on Tuesday with the aim of preventing a no deal brexit. Right from the start of Gove's interview he obfuscated, recited tired old mantras, avoided the question and told lie after lie after lie.

At the end of the interview he refused, as Reuters reports, to say whether the government would abide by any legislation that was passed. I could not believe it, even coming from Gove. Surely it would be unprecedented for a government to ignore the law in this way?

Which experts claim the Irish problem has been "bigged up"?

What's your solution?

Ug that post is way below your usual standard!

I know well that we'll never agree about brexit (and much else) but I have always given you credit for being coherent. (Wrong, but coherent!)

UG if you look at the figures Maizie has quoted the "we" who would go so far as a no deal is comparatively much smaller than the "we" who wouldn't.

Referendums are a consultation, they are not democratic, nor final. Other countries, eg Ireland, have referendums which are rerun when more information becomes available and thus the possibility of a more considered view.

It is alarming that the original information, or misinformation, on which people voted has been compounded by further lies and corruption yet so many approach with closed minds. I think that is because underneath lies British xenophobia and racism, built on years if not centuries, of isolation and insensitivity to others. So much Leavers argument is based on rhetoric, hatred of Europe and small mindedness.

notentirlyallthere

There it is AGAIN!

That post reiterates the oft used definition of Leavers so often denied perversely by those who say the same or worse about Leavers.

Leavers believed in misinformation, have closed minds, are xenophobic, racists, insensitive to others, hate Europe and are small minded.

You forgot thick, uneducated, Brexshitters, Little Englanders, get their information from right wing papers.

3 years on and the record is stuck in the same groove.

Nope, you added the last bits POGS.