If there is an election.....

Shoequeen53
Nobody voted for this chaos, and nobody has any need to
‘Be ashamed’ for the way they voted either.
The government offered us a choice, the voting public responded, and ‘this chaos’ has been entirely of Parliaments own making.

GracesGranMK3 - I'm well aware of what assemblies do, I was explaining there scope and remit to a previous poster.

paddy - I have made my position on the forthcoming referendum and the SNP perfectly clear, so you can stop with your silly sniping, it really does you no favours.

Naive or disingenuous remarks growstuff.

So enlighten me, if I'm naïve.

I'm a little weary of people's throwaway lines, which are supposed to be accepted unchallenged.

Are you really admitting that you're uneducated?

I would doubt that anyone on this forum is uneducated and being "less educated" comes with the age group and less education being available. It certainly not necessarily a way of guessing someone's intelligence.

My issue is always with those who do not seek to further their knowledge. We can all do that but even the more educated refuse at times to bring themselves up to date. Going on either 'gut instinct' or the knowledge of fifty years ago is lazy and unnecessary and generally doesn't bring about reasoned solutions.

... I was explaining there scope and remit to a previous poster.

As was I, SirChenjin. Had I been replying directly to you I would have addressed you.

As was I, SirChenjin. Had I been replying directly to you I would have addressed you

You were quoting me - that suggests you were addressing me, much as we're doing here.

Perhaps nobody voted for this chaos but they did vote for sunny uplands and the easiest deal ever, when the experts they were told to ignore warned them that it was complex, difficult and divisive, and believe £350 million for the NHS on the side of a bus.

Boris Johnson's stunt yesterday wasted police time & taxpayer's money, as well as breaching the ministerial code - @thomasbrake

#DemandBetter than Johnson's selfish pursuit of a No Deal Brexit: www.libdems.org.uk/exit-brexit

twitter.com/LibDems

Cabinet Secretary Mark Sedwill has been asked to investigate whether Boris Johnson broke the ministerial code by conscripting police officers to stand behind him in a piece of “naked electioneering”.

The prime minister has been roundly criticised for giving a wandering speech largely focused on Brexit and his demands for a general election at a police training college in Yorkshire on Thursday evening.

One recruit even became unwell and had to sit down during an address lasting at least 20 minutes. The West Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner Mark Burns-Williamson has demanded an apology.

In a letter sent to Sedwill this morning, Lib Dem Brexit spokesman Tom Brake said the “stunt” appeared to be a “direct and deliberate” breach of the propriety guidance for government communications.

The rules state “publicly-funded government communications cannot be used primarily or solely to meet party political objectives”.

“I write to make a formal complaint about yet another piece of naked electioneering, at the taxpayers’ expense, by the PM,” Brake said.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/cabinet-secretary-asked-to-investigate-if-boris-johnson-broke-ministerial-code-with-police-stunt_uk_5d72223ae4b06d55b971c560?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

The Chief Constable of West Yorkshire has said he was very disappointed that his officers had been used by Boris Johnson as a "backdrop" to his electioneering speech.

Boris Johnson must force a general election before the October 31 Brexit deadline if he is to have any chance of winning a majority, a bombshell new poll suggests.

The Tories polled at 37 per cent and Labour trailed on 30 per cent when people were asked how they would vote in a snap poll before Halloween.

But Tory support dipped to 28 per cent - tied with Labour - when people were asked how they would vote in an election held after the current departure date.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7434555/Boris-Johnson-lose-9-support-early-election-not-held-October-31.html

Can someone explain as I'm not clear at all....if the Tories win a GE but don't have a majority (or even if they do by joining forces with another party) and BJ tries to play another game to try and force through a no deal, what is to stop a repeat of the other night?

I don't understand why we've had so many elections since that fixed term parliament bill was introduced to stop this sort of thing happening...

I guess he's hoping that the Tory rebels will be replaced by obedient Leavers, but there's absolutely no guarantee of that. Over half the rebels are MPs for constituencies where the majority voted to remain, so he could possibly end up with an even smaller majority. Even if the BP win some midlands and northern Leave constituencies, they still won't have an overall majority. There's also the possibility that the Conservatives will lose seats in Scotland and the LibDems might regain some of their former seats (Cambridge, Sheffield Hallam, Leeds North West, Richmond Park) from Labour. Sinn Fein is considering not fielding candidates, so that pro-Remain parties have a clear run, which would add another handful of Remain MPs.

Polls without considering individual seats are meaningless. The most likely outcome is another minority government.

I don't think I'd be putting any bubbly on ice just yet.

I agree growstuff - it seems like he really hasn't thought this through. I'll certainly be looking at voting tactically if it helps to stop BJ thinking he has a mandate for a no deal, and I suspect I won't be the only one.

I think it's the next step in the Cummings game plan. It's high risk and might just work. If it doesn't, so what (as far as they're concerned)? Apparently, Cummings only has a contract until 31 October (if he lasts that long) and Johnson can go back to being a journalist and playing the buffoon on TV shows. His family might even invite him for tea .

As a record-breaking former PM, Johnson will be worth a few pounds on the after dinner speaking circuit.

Chill out growstuff and learn that much is posted on here to wind some up. Usually those who take themselves and others too literally or seriously,

Much by whom?

I'm super chilled, Anja. I realised not long after I joined that some posters are just wind up merchants and take some perverse pleasure out of being contrary.

On the other hand, I do take the future of my country seriously. I've never followed political shenanigans as closely as I have over the last three years. I see some of the stuff people come out with and I'm agog that they actually believe it (or maybe they don't). In any case, I want the best for my country and my children, so I'll not just ignore some of the nonsense.

PS. Has anybody come up with a solution to the Irish border yet?

Technology, growstuff, technology - that will solve the problem <vague wave of hand>

The Remain campaign was based on blatant lies from both Osborne and Carney. Both of these Remainers have reluctantly had to admit their prophesies of doom were wrong.

Good post newnanny. I am in full agreement.

Remainers have soaked up lies spewed out regularly from prominent doom-mongering Remainers.

We have already seen their "all is lost" prophecies flounder and come to nothing, yet Remainers repeated them as if they were gospel.

They are still doing it, these clairvoyants who see only disaster ahead of us.

Leavers see disaster for the UK in the form of the crumbling, undemocratic, costly and intransigent EU. Why would we pay billions into it? We'll be adopting the Euro if we remain, our armed forces will be controlled by Brussels and borders will vanish as we are incorporated into this vast dictatorial European empire of a mess.

The Common Market was about trade. The EU is an altogether very different kettle of fish.

We will never be given another chance of steering our own course if we don't take this opportunity now.

The government offered us a choice, the voting public responded, and ‘this chaos’ has been entirely of Parliaments own making.

Exactly lemon

I was listening to several talk phone-in channels on the radio. All the callers were deeply concerned about the mess parliament has created in trying to tie us to the EU.

Remainers were fed up with it too. The consensus was we need to leave and start again with a clean sheet, working together for the good of the UK. Every caller said taking No Deal off the agenda was complete folly.

So Leavers, do take heart. GN message boards, the news and politics one, often seems like a Remainer echo-chamber, with a Leaver post spoiling their party once in a while.

Out there are many, many people, and presenters who are angry and incredulous that Remainer MPs are doing their all to thwart democracy.

We are not alone, although Remainers here would have us believe ours is a minority view and that we are all beyond the pale. We are not.

If anything, the Leave majority is growing with every stupid step taken by our MPs in the HOC.

There is no "leave majority" and there has not been for more than two years, which is why the brexiters are frightened of another vote.