If there is an election.....

Well I’ve read the views of those experts I quoted to Dinahmo

Very interesting!

Love this:

‘What country in its right mind would want to leave the world’s largest trading block and risk financial ruin by going it alone without a deal?

What country, attempting to hold together a union of disparate political entities, would risk that union when many of its inhabitants do not support the break-up in the first place?

What country’s leaders would be prepared to take a reckless leap into the unknown in the illusory hope of a brighter, more prosperous future, free from outside interference?

The answer, of course, is the United States in 1776. They must have been insane.’

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Well that’s set cat amongst the pigeons Urmstongran well done and happy anniversary

Ironic that Labour Party leaflets arriving on doormats throughout Britain today....contain the phrase " we demand an election now"

Non sequitur, Pantglasl

And quite frankly, if you look at how the US has turned out it's not really a shining example to follow.

Au contraire MaizieD - in my opinion, of course.

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Well I thought it was brilliant!

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Thank you Pantsglas1

45 years ago, we’d been married for 3 hours ....

Happy Anniversary URM and well said.

More thanks EnglishRose!

I'm not entirely sure how the people who invaded and pillaged what we refer to as the USA are in way relevant to the UK in the 21st first century.

Oh Lessismore!! You cannot be serious!
(Said in my best John McEnroe imitation!)
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Hey - just now in the Graun on line (bet their editorial team were antsy about having to post ‘this’ headline’. -

“Tories extend lead over Labour to 10% despite chaotic week
More than half of all leave voters are now planning to vote for Boris Johnson”

Past caring.

Who are the other half going to vote for?

Why can't Lessimore be serious Urmstongran? The way the UK treated America just cannot be compared to the UK's current role in the EU. Maybe you'd like to explain your reasoning.

Your comment does appear to be unnecessary and nasty.

Who invaded and pillaged the USA?!! People emigrated on the Mayflower etc to escape religious persecution, but hardly an invasion, still less a pillage!!! They eventually became the first European Americans, up till then there were Native first Americans, no Europeans. Poor things, by all accounts had a very tough time of it from the incumbent population!! Emigration from Ireland and Europe was long after the war of independence! Serious persecution of the first Americans, was again, long after the war. The now Americans certainly wanted to be rid of being run from London, just as we want to be rid of being run by Europe!

We are not and never have been a colony of the EU.

The EU is not a colonial power it is a Union of 27 European nations who act together for the common good.

We have the good fortune to have the very best deal of any EU member country - not in the Euro nor in Schengen, and benfiting from a rebate.

We are also one of the most powerful and influential member countries of the EU, able to influence that way it develops in the future and our standing in the world has been immensely enhanced because of our EU memberhip.

Why on earth could anyone ever think we could get a better deal by giving up all thes advantages?e

you, genius,why are you not making political comedy? Instead of the rubbish the BBC churns out.

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Urm My understanding of American history is a little different. (This is an extremely shortened version) In the 1750s the French attacked some of the English colonies and in 1756 the British suffered a series of defeats by the French and their native American allies.

This conflict merged into the Seven Years War which was France, Austria and Russia against Prussia and England. It was much more serious than the events in America.

At different times the French and the Spanish allied with the settlers and Britain suffered several defeats. But our main enemy was France and war, sometimes military and sometimes a cold war continued until we defeated Napoleon.

In 1780 the Kingdom of Mysore attacked the British in India which was far more important to us than the American colonies. In 1781 a combined American and French army besieged Cornwallis' army and he surrendered in October of that year. The surrender gave the Whigs the upper hand and in 1782 Parliament voted to end all offensive operations in America.

We were also under attack from the French in Gibralter so not much time to deal with the American colonies.

I am not sure that the situation in the USA was all mother love and apple pie as soon as they left the British Empire. I would say it was at least half a century of struggle and privation before it began to recover and then that recovery was built on the bodies and lives of African slaves.

Is that really what you want for Britian Urmston?

and the bodies and lives of the native Americans before that

Urmstongran Quote [ Tories extend lead over Labour to 10% despite chaotic week
More than half of all leave voters are now planning to vote for Boris Johnson” ] End Quote.

Urmstongran, in regard to your above, the Tories began the 2017 General Election campaign with a 20% Lead over the Labour Party and we all know how that finished up. The Tories lost their overall majority in the House of Commons.

So, I believe that Labour activists will be saying "bring it on" as soon as Boris Johnson implements the legislation that our democratically elected MPs placed upon him.

Of Course, should he choose not to carry out the above he could finish up in prison. However, it would seem that many of his fellow Tory MPs (or former Tory MPs) would be happy to see him go there and remain there. ?

It also depends on where those votes are situated if they are mostly in already dyed in the wool Conservative constituencies, that will not help. Nor will it help in Remainer Conservative constituencies where the swing to the LibDems is particularly strong.

Remember, we are like the Americans, getting a majority of the vote does not mean winning the election.