The family firm.

So we have the usual goodies and baddies utter tripe about the RF and their family ties. They are simply rich people who live their lives the way rich people do. Why on earth anyone thinks they can somehow approve or disapprove of how they behave I don't understand. It's a bit like King Canute ordering the waves back. And it isn't criticism, it's bitching. And the fact that GN posters don't know MM's work means nothing most of us (and I include myself) aren't really in touch with the names of modern media stars.

Really trisher you never comment on how people behave?

Let’s face it MM has a dedicated band of critics, in there eyes she will never be able to do right for doing wrong.
Why torture yourselves? Just ignore the media coverage. The press are making money out of them , every cloud as they say ?

Their not there, Grammatical blip!

The press make money out of all the Windsors and celebrities

Well exactly.

It’s new blood for them, ( the press) and sadly some of us to dig our claws into

No digging of claws, many are critical of someone making a
barefoot lecture then flying by jet.

I don’t understand why anyone is surprised.
We all live unequal lives, on a good day I try to see the good that some try to do despite the fact that they are in a better financial position than others.
They are obviously a bit , dare I say dim, not to have anticipated or have been advised of the likely reaction from the public. Perhaps we can put it down to love goggles obliterating common sense & perhaps they will be better advised in the future.

So every mistake made is the fault of advisers ?

Nooooo Annie, I think you know that is not what I meant.

It is rare to find anyone who practices what they preach, MM & Harry are no exception, once can be seen as rather hypocritical, twice or more could be seen as arrogance.
We will have to wait & see ( or as I am doing ) reserve judgement to see how it all pans out.
I hope that the good that they have /can/ will do in the future will lessen the effect of this particular incident.

Bridgeit you did say ‘perhaps they will be better advised in the future. This can only be read as they were advised .

Can we say ‘perhaps Andrew will be better advised in the future’ ?

Sorry but I disagree ‘it is rare to find anyone who practices what they preach’

For my money, I think that perhaps the thing that I find particularly horrible about Meghan is her refusal to let her father meet his grandchild. How would any of you grandparents on here feel if your adult child did that. Try reading the estrangement thread and seeing the searing pain caused by estrangement. I fully realise that the man made a terrible mistake in allowing the press to photograph him in the way he did, but exactly as I’ve said about Meghan, he doesn’t really understand the monarchy and how it works. I think maybe a person needs to be brought up in a monarchy to understand (whether they agree with it or not.) Gradually he would have come to understand, with guidance and advice. But first he was excluded from her wedding and now from his grandchild. I’m surprised Harry goes along with this. And then on top of this we see messages on bananas saying rubbish like ‘you are special’ or whatever it was. There’s an expression, ‘Charity begins at home’ and Meghan would do well to put it into practice.

No that’s not how I meant it, although that covers it, what I meant was that they may ( hopefully) get a Stern talking to from she who must be taking seriously ( as in many households) Granny, who else ?

Maddyone we don’t actually know the truth about any of it.

You make a good point Bridgeit, but I think we’d know if father had met grandchild, we quickly enough knew that mother met him.

I hope he has though, but I doubt it. After all, baby is too young to travel to Scotland.

I agree Maddy , the measuring of the suit could have been avoided if Mr Markle had met Harry and Harry had arranged
for him to be advised . He wasn’t wanted at the wedding.

Many families have one member who causes embarrassment but Megan only invited one member of her family, ignoring
her paternal and maternal families.

Thanks Maddyone, I didn’t mean just about meeting the baby, ( but also wedding etc etc )

I think a lot of people feel that Meghan will never be 'royal' in the way that Kate is. There's a lot more to it than hanging on to Harry during public appearances and stroking his back.

Kate puts this country first . Megan wants the world stage .

I think Kate does put her country first Annie. She had a long time to think about the implications of marriage to William, and he had a long time to consider whether or not she would be able to cope with life in a goldfish bowl, and if she will be able to cope, in due course, with being married to the king.
Meghan did not have very long to consider the restraints of royal life. The marriage came quickly. Harry had apparently been disappointed in love by a couple of girls who realising what the requirements were, decided to go walk away, and he was in a hurry to marry. Meghan in all probability had no idea really what she was taking on when she became a member of the royal family. Clearly neither did most of her family. Her mother has proved to be a good support and entirely discreet.
I was very happy for him when he initially found Meghan. Now I wonder how this is all going to pan out. I’m concerned by Meghan’s apparent self centredness and her lack of understanding of how the monarchy works. Royals do not refuse to visit the queen at Balmoral and then fly around the world to see a friend play (a very important) tennis match. Meghan doesn’t understand this. If a person marries into the monarchy they immediately receive wealth and benefits unheard of in their previous life, however wealthy they may have been already, but it is not cost free. There are restrictions and a certain lack of privacy. There are duties and obligations. Meghan simply does not understand.

Agree with all you say Maddyone - I was not impressed to see Meghan had flown to the US to watch a tennis match - however important.
Carbon footprint?

Very well put Maddyone.