The yellowhammer documents

lemon thanks for the reminder?, yes I did overdo it. I was so cross yesterday that my fury took over.

Back to normal today.

GrannyGravy, you wrote:

"my point being that the UK has been to reliant on the EU, unable due to EU regulations to look elsewhere for better trade deals."

"The Politicians are the only ones who can sort this out, not a bunch of "Grannies/Grandpas" on GN."

In the past, you have posted stuff which is demonstrably complete rubbish, but you still won't accept that your reasoning could be faulty.

The UK can trade with other countries, as you yourself have just written.

It seems to me that when you're losing your argument, you play at being a silly old woman, who claims that you can't influence anything and leave it up to those "experts", whom leavers despise so much.

I really don't accept that. If people are so helpless and know so little, they should never have been given a vote on something so complex and important.

Democracy isn't just about putting a cross in a box. It's about being informed and knowing what you're voting for, even if some people get it wrong.

Lord Kerslake - retired head civil service.

Indicated that the report produced is only a summary that there are page after page of detailed paragraphs and this should be made public so that the voters can come to an informed conclusion.

Yes, they were Callistemon and it's one theory why so many of their residents voted to leave - they were putting up two fingers at people they can see are more prosperous then they are. I don't know whether that's true, but it's certainly consistent with the data and I accept that their towns have been left to decay. It's also why the EU gave some of them grants for regeneration. However, there is absolutely no guarantee that the UK government will spend more of them after Brexit. Reading all the likely scenarios, it's more likely that they will become even poorer. If the ERGers and libertarians have their way, the future will be in services and there will be no place for manufacturing.

Bye lemongrove.

That last post (*growstuff*) is so Mumsnet.

OMG! Is that supposed to be an insult? I never read Mumsnet. Lemongrove often says she's not going participate any further, but always comes back. It would suggest she can't counter arguments other than by insulting other posters and flouncing.

No, a MN post would be "don't let the door hit your arse on the way out*

Come on Gonegirl

John Lewis said that it cannot mitigate the problems that Brexit will cause

Not an insult. Just a fact.

Do we on Gransnet, refer to exiting as "flouncing"?

As you were.

Also, I would assume, when other countries trade with us they know that the standard of the goods we sell to them is up to EU requirements. Something that, rumour has it, is something that will drop when we Brexit.

Thank you SirChenjin. However, that's not really my style.

Labaik My question is who wants to buy our stuff anyway? We already export to both EU and non-EU countries, so what else do we have? Our biggest export is services.

How are any future trade agreements going to benefit the UK? I really would like a sensible discussion on this. As far as I can see, there might possibly be some advantages, but nowhere near enough to compensate for the loss of our biggest trading partner, the EU. We run the risk of being victims of US, Chinese (and Indian) vultures.

I understand that Johnson and the right wing are intent are sweeping away as many regulations as is possible post Brexit.

That won’t bode well for quality and dependability will it?

Ironic really, because the Chinese are trying to improve the quality of their products. Wages are increasing, so they need to be able to sell at higher prices.

I actually don't think Johnson has a clue what the world outside his bubble is like. I've never seen any evidence that he has a good grasp on any of the issues facing a modern state. He's an entertainer and a BSer - and even that is wearing a bit thin. I think he's too remote even to be called a right-winger and I doubt if he even has an ideology.

Government has a duty to the 66m citizens of this country, not just the 17.4m who voted leave. To pursue a policy that endangers the livelihood and security of it’s citizens is something no responsible gov’t should do. The whole issue of leaving has been distorted by the real dangers of a No deal, which even the Gov can only look into a crystal ball and surmise about. It’s getting crazy, sheer political dogma is overtaking sanity.

growstuff....to put you right: I do not ‘often’ say that I am not participating further in a thread, I said it once a couple of months ago, and said I would return when something was happening ( politics wise) and stuck to that, until recently when plenty of things were happening.I have not said it here in this thread today either, but was talking to GG13.
I don’t ‘flounce’ ever btw. So your comment about leaving and ‘always coming back’ is simply made up.
I am keeping an eye on the thread, monitoring the rising hysteria.

Leaver bingo - score one

I think Lemongrove that you just demonstrated funding, if not with an exit

Sorry flouncing not funding

So bloody childish!!!

I'm interested in understanding how the heck BJ expects to get, what in Tory terms is a leftist program through such a right-wing cabinet and bunch of back benches or is it that the program is another of his shams; I wonder

On that point james2451 I always understood that the first priority for any government was the safety of its citizens. So how can this totally unnecessary and voluntary shitstorm of shortages, smuggling, sectarian violence be welcomed by even the most deluded Brexiteer?