Are you scared

I voted to remain

Just get on with it out with a deal or stay where we are. I wonder what the EU are thinking of us or rather thinking if Boris the mind boggles!

this isall scaremongering .if switzerland and australia can be independant ,why cant we.? we dont need a "deal" those of us who voted out .parliament should do just that .we didnt vote on a deal.

why would there be a shortage??? ,we could get medication from the usa.....

Both Switzerland and Australia are part of trading blocs.

If we don't need a withdrawal deal, what do you suggest happens in Ireland or with citizens' rights. Of course those issues need to be dealt with. We need a deal!

If there is no deal, the EU won't negotiate any trading agreements with us, especially if we don't pay our "divorce bill". We'll be stuck on WTO tariffs forever and be at the mercy of vulture economies, such as the US and China.

I can't think of any other major country which doesn't have some deal with its nearest neighbours, who have been up to now our biggest trading partners.

Yes, we most definitely do need a deal and we then need to negotiate tariffs, etc.

And how much do you think they would charge the NHS? Trump has already thought of that one and said that he wants to raise the price of American medicines for the NHS.

In any case, how sensible is it to fly medicines over 5000 miles, when we could get them on our doorstep? There will still be the problem of customs clearance and regulation of standards.

Nanny41 A number of foreign online newspapers have English versions. You can find out for yourself what people in other countries think of us.

FC61 and Chaitriona Thank you. You have both explained the situation succinctly. Your points have been posted on various threads by other people many times before and yet there are still people who won't take any notice. I can't imagine what drives these people on.

We are independent, this is a stupid Summit's argument. Australia has forgone some independence to sign a regional deal that includes China, Japan and many other nations they sacrificed further sovereignty to join CEATO. Virtually every nation also makes similar treaties, some of which cover military and security matters and may or may not cover trade issues. Others concentrate on trade issues.

All treaties means sacrificing some degree of sovereignty in exchange for the treaty benefits the EU gave the UK massive benefits in exchange for what, some monies and an ability of criminals to be pursued across Europe etc pooling of medical and science research etc and a pooling of our sovereignty with other members when taking important decisions. We gained much more than we sacrificed as any except the blind can see.

Sure we survived before we joined, as we slid down the ranks of increasing number of enriching nations. Industry was in a state of virtual collapse and the pound was far from a stable currency. Over the 40 years of our membership our nation finished up as the 5th richest nation and until that stupid referendum we had a stable currency.

What is sovereignty? Do you really know?

moggie57 Sun 15-Sep-19 22:19:54 Could you reply to growstuff's post of Sun 15-Sep-19 22:33:27.

I am getting sick and tired of people just saying whatever comes into their head whether it is true, a lie or a prejudice. This is far too important to trivialise in this way.

Just let the man get on with the job in hand. He’s being given a hard time by the ‘remainers’ who didn’t like the referendum result - so are doing everything they can to overturn it. To me (who has a simple mind) that sounds very undemocratic.

I pop in occasionally here with no much to say really. I do have an opinion though.

Granless The issue is that no attempt has been made to sort out the Irish border or citizens' rights. That's why Priti Patel can lie through her teeth about the rights of EU citizens (as she did on Marr yesterday). That's what the so-called "deal" is all about and why people are giving the government a hard time. It's not undemocratic to insist that the government acts in a way it promised with regards to Ireland and citizens' rights, which are no more nor less democratic than enforcing the result of the referendum itself.

Some people (including me) were asking before the referendum how these issues would be resolved. Then, as now, people just didn't seem to care. They just shrugged their shoulders and claimed it was somebody else's responsibility, which makes a mockery of any claim to democratic rights.

Quite apart from the fact that the fraudulent referendum was won by lies, cheating and foreign interference, it was totally absurd to ask for a simple yes/no answer to a very complicated question.

Yesterday I asked those who had posted that they were 'excited' about leaving if they could quantify this excitement. Apart from a couple of people ripping into me, accusing me of scaremongering and hysteria, nobody has yet had the courtesy of answering my question. So, I will ask again, what is it that you are looking forward to/are excited about?

I wonder if most of them will reappear on GN.

Granless do you have any sense of what the good things are about being a part of the EU? I would be interested to know if those who just want "the man to get on with it" are aware of what we will be giving up. Many speak as if it's all bad; it obviously isn't or we wouldn't have joined but do you know what you are giving up to have your wish to leave?

Could we know what leavers see as the positives of the EU, just as the remainders have agreed there are negatives.

Not scared at all and have got to the point where I don't care if we leave or not. I'm just bored, bored, bored, BORED!

Snap Margs, bored silly now. Back to basics. What do politicians and governments do? They try to convince us that they'll 'save' us from disasters! All nonsense.

Granless this juvenile, who sees himself as the personification of the Incredible Hulk, is unfit to be representing us in the negotiations. What do the stalwart Tories think of that image I wonder? Oh, what a cad he is!

Now his former friend Cameron has nailed it - Johnson made his choice to further his career. He truly doesn't care what happens now he's made it to be PM. The sooner he and his girlfriend are out of No 10 the better.

We can't afford to be bored. As grandparents we have to stay focused and alert to the problems e.g. those detailed in 'yellowhammer' and the impact of cutting ourselves off from the EU, for the sake of all young people and especially for the future of our grandchildren. Head-in-the sand isn't an option. To do that you are creating a very ignorant ostrich.

Regarding Saggi's post about the millennium crisis - this crisis was averted because many IT professionals worked around the clock to solve the problem.

I’m still trying to work out the many & various reasons why voted leave. I’m currently reading Fintan O’Toole’s ‘Heroic Failure - Brexit & the Politics of Pain’. It’s fascinating stuff.

Unfortunately we are still in the throes of Brexit, still a divided and unhappy nation I think. And I agree with Ginny42. We can’t be bored, it’s too important.

And I am still waiting for what exciting things some GN posters are anticipating after Brexit..........resounding silence, or maybe they are looking back at some of my other posts to pick me up on something, or accuse me of inaccuracy......I expect the list of exciting things is about as long as the list of reasons they had for voting leave in the first place.

I wish I was clever but I’m not and I haven’t the time to look at all the very complicated ins and outs of brexit. I can’t back up my fears or opinions with references. My post was really asking about the fears of people like me.
I’m concerned about a recession and price rises affect ordinary working people
I’m concerned about the loss of working rights again mostly affecting the poor
I’m concerned about Ireland hard boarder and going back into the troubles.
My mostly selfish one is jamming the m20 by boarder
controls and by the furious French fishermen if we refuse them access to our waters.
I’m concerned about E.U citizens not wanting to stay. I feel lots of our public services are reliant on these well educated people.
I’m doing my best to have enough trust in our government to make sure medicines can be accessed for those who are reliant on them.
I’m not too worried about European countries who sell us vast amounts of goods. I think they will be forced to come some sort of deal. They won’t want their own people to suffer surely?
I’m not worried about public unrest or rioting.

What I really don’t understand is if brexiting is going to be such an unmitigated disaster why would any politicians want that to be their legacy.
Don’t ask me to back up any of this because I can’t. It’s just what I gleaned from listening to the news and ordinary leavers and remainers and mulled over in my own way.