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morethan2 Sat 14-Sept-19 17:35:07

Before I start I’ll nail my colours to a mast I voted remain. I’m not thrilled with the result but I accept it. I’m a little anxious about all the information of a no deal brexit and I expect most remainers are. I don’t want to start a bun fight but are those of you who voted out are you concerned about a no deal exit? I’m not asking for reassurance just if you feel very confident about the outcome of a no deal.

NotSpaghetti Sun 15-Sept-19 09:47:04

I feel the "no deal" option is not what it seems. Basically, as I understand it, no one in the world operates on WRO tariffs. Leaving with no deal means we will be trying to sort our deals out for (who knows) 10 maybe 20 years.
It's not a swift "get out".

Furthermore I'm concerned for our workers rights, pressures on our farmers to lower standards, ecological issues etc... Our government will be keen to make deals. They will naturally be in a rush and grasping at any offers. I don't see it as a good situation. Far better to inherit wider deals via a deal with the EU.

So, morethan3 in answer to your question, no, I'm not at all confident about a no-deal exit.

BBkay Sun 15-Sept-19 09:48:08

It really doesn't matter what we voted the result was a vote to leave and as we are a democracy we should go with the majority vote. I truly can't see how anyone can argue.

NotSpaghetti Sun 15-Sept-19 09:53:27

You are right, of course Nannan2 - we will survive!
... but the question was about how confident we are about a no-deal. I'd like us to do well as a country, ideally, not just be ok.

Saggi Sun 15-Sept-19 09:54:34

Does anyone remember the ‘millenium disaster’ ...you know the one where all computer systems would crash, and the world would implode on us!!! .... that never happened did it?! I voted to leave....but i don’t actually think it will ever happen ...I think they’ll prevaricate til we have a new generation of ‘young ‘ voters ...have another referendum....’nobs your uncle’ ...job done !! But I’m a cynic!

Saggi Sun 15-Sept-19 09:55:32

‘Bobs your uncle ‘...although ‘nobs’ would just about serve in this case!

Lilyflower Sun 15-Sept-19 09:55:35

No, not at all worried about nio deal Brexit.

Pretty terrified of a Corbyn Marxist government stealing the house and my children's futures.

Lilyflower Sun 15-Sept-19 09:56:03

No deal not nio deal!

silverlining48 Sun 15-Sept-19 09:56:34

Yes I am concerned, I remember when I was young being fearful through the years of the Cold War, the Cuban missile crisis and the very real possibility of a Third World War. Then in the late 60s came the long Irish unrest with killings and bombings both there and over here. I also recall prior to our joining the EU that we, the UK, was universally regarded as the sick man of Europe.
Thank goodness those days are gone and we have had 40 years of peace in Europe. Joining with Europe made us all strong and united, and that is now going to change and I fear it might not be for the better.

Houseseller Sun 15-Sept-19 09:57:58

When we joined Europe it was for a common market not United States of Europe. We were a great Country then and should still be now. We didn’t asked to be governed by EU rules and have our legal decisions overturned by a EU legal system. Rule Britannia I say

NotSpaghetti Sun 15-Sept-19 09:58:45

Bbkay the question from the OP is about confidence in no-deal exit.
I think most of us realise we will be leaving, I don't think it's about re-running the in/out argument.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:02:23

Grannyannie2010 is right,i think the other countries arent so stupid as to 'cut off their nose to spite their face' as the saying goes,or 'bite the hand',etc,these other countries all DID trade with britain in years before 'common market'& EU,so why wouldnt they now?theyve got to sell to someone,why not us?and also,might not leaving help us in some ways,maybe our own guys/gals can start up buisnesses,to sell and produce?even pharmacuticals?seems we did it after the wars,why not now? I thought(i may be wrong?) that a lot of our businesses & trades went out because things were cheap to obtain by import from other countries? Maybe nows the chance to re-instate these?open these up again?put the 'Great' back in Britain?again? (Gosh i feel like a politician with that speech!?

Tricia5 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:05:21

I voted leave and would do so again. This is a great country and I love Europe just not all the vast machinery of the EU which wastes vast sums of money and is a gravy train for politicians and the bureaucrats unelected. Our fishing industry has been decimated by the EU. The federalists in the EU want to have a vast federal state with their own army etc. Where has our national pride gone. This country can stand on its own feet and all this great remainer battle to ignore the will of the people should be settled by a general election as soon as possible. But the remainer politicians are running scared and are being totally undemocratic.

GillT57 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:05:43

Sigh

graykat Sun 15-Sept-19 10:12:39

Yes, I am extremely worried. Not just about food and medicine shortages, a falling pound making my pension worth less, difficulties travelling and working in Europe, loss of workers' protection and rights but also the kind of society that we will become. Yellowhammer talks about the possibility of civil unrest!!! Trump and his billionaire croneys are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of getting hold of the NHS and dumping their chlorinated chicken on us. We will lose billions through companies leaving the UK for Europe and jobs with them. I don't understand how anyone can think this is a good idea.

HurdyGurdy Sun 15-Sept-19 10:14:08

I think no matter which way a person voted, everyone must be a little bit apprehensive about the UK post-Brexit.

I'm not scared but I am a little nervous.

The fact is - no one knows what will happen. Each side is putting forward their version of what will happen, which backs up their decision. But it's (probably informed) speculation.

I suspect that leavers are being overly-optimistic, and remainers are being overly-pessimistic.

Either way, we will get on with it and make the best of what is to come.

grannyJillyT Sun 15-Sept-19 10:14:14

Let’s not lose the plot varian. Calm down.

Nanniejc1 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:15:26

I’m not worried at all,I always buy localwhere I can & it really won’t worry me if I can’t buy pineapple or exotic fruit for a couple of months.......we can buy from other countries anyway besides the EU.As long as I can buy local meat,seasonal veg etc I can manage.Sick of all the scare stories,a majority voted to leave so that’s what needs to be done as soon as possible.The MPs who are trying to stop it are going against the democratic vote .

BeenBizzy Sun 15-Sept-19 10:17:18

Am I the only one who remembers this country before we joined the EU community.

Listening to all the propaganda, we voted to join. At the time the reduction in paperwork and the time to get the paperwork from offices of HMG it seemed the only sensible thing to do to aid my husbands business..
In recent years this country has become impoverished, not only with help from UK politicians but with stupid laws and fines and huge contributions to the EU community.
Just compare our roads to those across the water. It's amazing how new they are, and no pot holes.....
There's an awful lot of propaganda out there, there's also a lot of very rich European parliament mp's..
I want to know what has happened to democracy in this country,,,,,, all we are getting is tales of horror of what is to come........ Of course if we do leave with a decent deal there will be other countries wanting to do the same....... Then the huge gravy train will de-rail.
As for the ports, and delays take a look at Australia, if there working system is to be believed the answer is
quite simple. Employ the customs officers needed. There's enough out there on the dole.
The wages will come from the money we save...... Or is this too simple.

Margaux Sun 15-Sept-19 10:18:35

I voted Remain. I think Cameron is right. And I can't help feeling that if we end up with a No Deal that can never be a clean break with the EU, that will be the clearest indication that the Leavers in his Cabinet lied when they promised us a stride into the light. For we'd then get a stride into chaos.

What a pity that Jeremy didn't put more of that passion of his in the referendum campaign. His heart wasn't in it. And ever since, he's sat on the fence. Not this, and not the other either.

Margaux Sun 15-Sept-19 10:19:55

Been Bizzy - I too remember this country before we joined the EU. We were the sick man of Europe.

4allweknow Sun 15-Sept-19 10:22:33

Whether voting In or Out, is the amount of power exerted on members not scary when trying to end membership of a club? I may be naive but the question for the Referendum had no qualification about a "deal". If you don't want to remain in an organisation don't you just give notice and leave. It's our politicians who have turned this into the mess it is (tin hat on here) as those who supported remain just want their own way. I know this is very simplified but to an awful lot of voters that is I think, how it seems. And no, I am not scared, I am fed up!

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:24:26

Yes Notspaghetti- but most folk on here seem to be trying to be optimistic,so, i think, showing we aren't too worried,at the moment anyway,We have to keep an open mind,and optimistic view,as otherwise scaremongers would drive us crazy- some folk are just born worriers,but it seems out of our hands now,so we'l just have to trust the powers that be now,and ride it out.we can't live our whole lives being afraid of everything.Its too late to 'not be confident'- we have to trust we will be more than ok,in the end,like others say,there'll be teething troubles,but it will sort out eventually.That's being CONFIDENT! I also agree with Houseseller,who speaks a lot of sense.(as i remember it,my parents voted to join a 'common market'(market meaning,surely,to trade goods?) Not to have every descision& every law we ever made run by the EU before we can act on it!

Kim19 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:27:44

Not a bit scared but expect many difficulties in transition whichever way we get out, if we ever do. I hope to deal with each downside as it happens to me and enjoy the upsides when they occur too. Anticipate a rocky five years irrespective.

jpren6 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:30:53

I Voted remain i think they should revoke article 50 and remain in the EU

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:30:55

If we HAD gone along with descision to change our money to euros can you imagine how difficult it would be for the younger generations now to revert back to pounds& pence?( i was just about old enough to remember when we changed over to decimals,about 7 or 8 i think?,so i can tell my kids& grandkids what 'old' money was) they think im speaking a different language?