Gransnet forums

News & politics

Are you scared

(311 Posts)
morethan2 Sat 14-Sept-19 17:35:07

Before I start I’ll nail my colours to a mast I voted remain. I’m not thrilled with the result but I accept it. I’m a little anxious about all the information of a no deal brexit and I expect most remainers are. I don’t want to start a bun fight but are those of you who voted out are you concerned about a no deal exit? I’m not asking for reassurance just if you feel very confident about the outcome of a no deal.

Dottynan Sun 15-Sept-19 10:33:00

CarlyD7 by your reckoning the percentage voted to stay must be less than those who voted to leave. With leave hanging over our heads we are now 4th strongest economy in the world.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:33:28

Typo- meant 'thats being confident',(apologies)

Margaux Sun 15-Sept-19 10:33:28

4allweknow My experience is different. I remember people like IDs saying that we could leave with a good trade deal.

Alexa Sun 15-Sept-19 10:33:51

I think I have just enough income to tide me over, plus I think I can adjust my cooking and diet if the shortages come along. I do realise that its the poorest people who will suffer most.

The people who will suffer most are those who depend on carers and those who depend on food banks, prisoners, and hospital patients. It is easy to find oneself in those situations.

icanhandthemback Sun 15-Sept-19 10:37:51

I voted leave and I would vote leave again in another Referendum. Of course I am nervous, it's a big jump. I didn't vote leave because of immigration but I don't want to remain within the EU in it's current form. It is an inefficient organisation with the masters working for their vision, not the vision of the people. There are lots of things that are good about the Union but the cumbersome nature of it with so much money literally disappearing makes me think we need a rethink.
That said, another reason I wanted to leave was for our Parliament to be in control of our destiny. That appears to be my biggest mistake. We've given the EU all our bargaining chips and then wonder why they don't feel the need to have reopened negotiations months ago. What a shambles.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:38:50

Way to go Tricia5!

Babs758 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:41:14

I voted to remain but am happy to leave with a deal. I do understand people’s reasons for wanting to leave but still personally felt that we would be better off in Europe. I am Interested to know amongst those of you who voted to leave, are you happy to leave without a deal?

Btw I live not too far from Guildford!

orly Sun 15-Sept-19 10:44:54

I'm only scared by what this country has become over the last 3 years+ since the vote to Leave. MPs from all parties trying to stymie the will of the people or actively trying to overturn the result and now the courts/judges in Scotland and England making a ruling that the suspension of parliament was NOT illegal followed by appeals to both declaring it IS illegal so another couple of appeals to finally put it to bed (hopefull). Who is right? Who can we trust? If we'd just used USwitch to pull us out of the EU in 2016, just like I've done with my dual fuel supplier 3 times in the same period, we'd be over any short-term hiccups by now and much better off.

grannygranby Sun 15-Sept-19 10:47:39

Some people think that if ‘we get on with it’ it will all be over. Oh dear. That’s when the problems and hardship will start. The Leave campaign has targeted people’s emotions and not their brains. Because emotions always win. It is a tragedy. It’s a tough battle the Remainers are fighting for all of us. I hope and trust they win. They will be reviled. More fool those that would be led by the likes of Farage and Johnson and Rees- Mogg. you only have to look at those leading the campaigns to know whose side you are on.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 10:51:46

If only 37% voted to leave carlyD7,how are we leaving then? I thought it had to be a democracy of 'more out than in' so to speak?

Juicylucy Sun 15-Sept-19 10:52:11

I voted to leave and I’m not worried at all, just want to get it done.

Hazeld Sun 15-Sept-19 10:52:50

Personally I can't wait to get out and show all the scaremongers how wrong they are. If you listen to the BBC we'll have nothing but doom and gloom and people are lapping it up. We weren't always in the EU and managed very nicely thank you and will again.

missdeke Sun 15-Sept-19 10:54:57

It amazes me how many no-dealers, dealers, leavers, remainers et al all know what's going to happen after Brexit. Didn't know we had so many psychics in this country. hmm

polnan Sun 15-Sept-19 10:57:48

I haven`t read all these posts

I voted leave.. I have never had any doubts, my only doubts now is that our MP`s are not capable,,
so it is about time that we had some truly "honourable" MP`s.
and I do think the Lords should be abolished, well the system. abused over the years,,, and overpaid... too much really to comment on,

I have no doubts that the British people can and will do wonders, it is the Establishment, whatever or whoever they are, the ones that have vested interests in maintaining their cushy positions.. the MP`s who really have failed the British people

I am also a Royalist, but I think the lesser Royals as they are called by the media , have brought Royalty , our Queen, into disrepute.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 15-Sept-19 11:00:48

I think the Road Haulage Industry may be a little over-confident. By postponing Brexit to the 31st October British politicians have given us time in Denmark to employ more people in Customs and Excise and to extend parking facilities in Esbjerg (the port that handles most traffic to and from Britain for long-distance haulage lorries going to, or coming from Great Britain) so it is unlikely that the Danish authorities will just let vehicles to and from Britain carry on as before once Brexit goes through. Other Danish harbours have measures in place too.

Germany is not as far up to date as we are, fine for Esbjerg, which after all was built to deal with Danish exports and imports to Britain when we lost Altona in 1864.

Antwerp and Rotterdam are no doubt addressing the matter too. Last year when Lloyds of London moved their continental shipping insurance to Antwerp, Belgium and the Netherlands got cracking on Brexit precautions.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 11:01:26

A big chunk of the 'real people' of this country have been in hardship for years already.thanks to universal credit,bedroom tax,cuts in benefits,privatisation,and every other way each government tries to claw back some of the 'benefits'& tax credits' they've handed out- which were meant to help,but they've since revoked.A bit more austerity will not make a huge difference.in fact if we have to rebuild our our own buisnesses/ trades it might help that.

HootyMcOwlface Sun 15-Sept-19 11:02:16

I really don't get "the people have spoken" mantra trotted out. Dr, yes they may have THREE YEARS ago. We now know all the flannel from the Leave side was bare faced lies and yet we aren't allowed another say? Theresa May kept taking her deal to MPs for numerous votes because she didn't get what she wanted. Johnson has had his appeal for a general election voted down 3 times , how come they get multiple votes and "the people" have to abide by a flawed vote? We can have a general election but not another EU vote? I don't get it I must be really really stupid, or being taken for being stupid.

Funny how all the bigwigs donating to Leave & Brexit parties wanting us out happen to be millionaires or billionaires isn't it? Or is that just a coincidence?

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 11:06:49

grandtanteJE65‐ nice to hear a comment from 'the other side of the coin' too so to speak.

minniemouse Sun 15-Sept-19 11:10:08

No not scared. We democratically voted to leave. No Deal is an excellent bargaining tool, and if it comes to that, we will be fine. The Government Remainers have scuppered everything in an attempt to stay in, against the Democratic vote. They are feeding panic and dread. Remember the Millenium Bug ?. Just the same and nothing happened! There will be adjustments to be made, no doubt. But it will be fine !

Jaxie Sun 15-Sept-19 11:14:10

EllanVannin, I'm interested in your comment that no MP's care a damn for their constituents. There must be some principled MPs who do. I wrote to Yvette Cooper, one such I believed, who I've always admired ( She isn't my MP). I never got a reply. I'd like to believe my letter went astray: or doesn't she give a damn what voters think?

harrigran Sun 15-Sept-19 11:18:04

Not at all scared.

Nannan2 Sun 15-Sept-19 11:18:43

If the government had 'got us out' straightaway after Britain had voted out,instead of trying to change it to what THEY wanted then by now we might be finding our feet as a stand alone nation.You don't,for example,give notice on a job to leave in 3yrs time do you? You give a month or 2s notice then do it!Its all become a bit ridiculous,its not the descision,but the feet-dragging & excuses thats made us a laughing stock and politicians who have no back bone! Theresa may always looked like a rabbit caught in headlights to me.

EthelJ Sun 15-Sept-19 11:25:14

I'm scared, disappointed and very depressed about the outcome.

varian Sun 15-Sept-19 11:26:19

Most sensible people would not give notice to quit their job until they have another job lined up.

This brexit nonsense has only ever been about leaving with absolutely no idea what happens next.

Dinahmo Sun 15-Sept-19 11:35:35

Saggi

Yet another one who thinks that the millenium disaster didn't happen. You are right in that respect but, thousands of computer specialists the world over worked to ensure that it didn't. This has been said so many times. On one of the other threads a poster confirmed my view as her DH was one of those specialists.

Sadly there aren't thousands of specialists working to ensure that Brexit won't be a disaster.